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 Post subject: Re: England ~ Big Sam's Big Plan
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:49 pm 
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I'm not fan of Sam,

but what exactly is the paper trying to gain here. Seems a bit sh1tty


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They're doing their job which is trying to sell newspapers they've obviously got word that a number of managers have these shady sounding side deals going on and they've set up a sting to try and catch them so they can expose them and they've hit the absolute jackpot by getting the England manager.

Something like this is much more in the public interest than where Antonio Valencia "sleeps" in the evening.

The fact that Allardyce is still taking these sort of meetings after getting the England job maybe shows you what kind of person he is as surely he must know that the press in this country are out to get you and you need to be whiter than white.

Sounds to me like the lawyers might already be looking in to his contract to see if they can sack him and avoid a pay off the FA doesn't need this story coming up every time there's an England game.


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Reports are he's negotiating his severance package and could be gone tonight sounds to me like there's more to come and the evidence is overwhelming.

Imagine throwing away your dream job like that


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GONE

Big Sams Big Plan was to get rich off being England manager and it's officially game over

No £3m a year salary and no £400k consultancy fee but 100% win record

Surely no more PL jobs after that


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Southgate in as caretaker for next 4 games


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 Post subject: Re: England ~ Big Sam's Big Plan
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He's to nice though the players won't respect him imo

Games should be easy enough then look for a proper solution

Total embarrassment for the FA


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Sam Allardyce will still face a Football Association inquiry into the comments he made, specifically on third-party ownership and offering advice to businessmen on how to "get around" the governing body's rules on transfers. (Daily Telegraph)

Former Hull City manager Steve Bruce should become the next England manager following Allardyce's departure, says ex-Arsenal midfielder Ray Parlour. (Sun)

Times chief football writer Henry Winter says the FA "would be wise" to turn to Bournemouth's Eddie Howe as a replacement for Allardyce. (Times - subscription required) 

Daily Mail chief sports writer Martin Samuel writes that the FA should use the hiatus as a means to get Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger. (Daily Mail)

Sun reporter Neil Ashton says the England job could be Gareth Southgate's if the "dignified man" does well in his four games in charge as caretaker boss. (Sun)

It is understood that Allardyce blamed no-one but himself for being lured into a sting operation which has not just cost him his job but leaves his career in tatters.(Daily Mirror)

FA bosses have been left "with egg on their face" over the appointment of Allardyce, says former Arsenal striker Alan Smith. (Sky Sports)


Further allegations today against 8 former/current PL managers over taking bungs according to a dodgy agent FA need to be careful before they appoint anyone as they need the list of names so investigations can be carried out.

Sh*ts about to hit the fan


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 Post subject: Re: England ~ Big Sam's Big Plan
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:18 am 
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Former England boss Sam Allardyce has not ruled out a return to football.

He left his role in disgrace after just 67 days following newspaper claims he offered advice on how to "get around" player transfer rules to undercover reporters posing as businessmen.

But when asked if it was his last job in management, the 61-year-old said: "Who knows? We'll wait and see."

Allardyce acknowledged it was a "silly thing to do" but was critical of the way his wrongdoing was uncovered.

"Unfortunately it was an error of judgement on my behalf, I've paid the consequences. Entrapment has won on this occasion and I have to accept that," he added.

Earlier, he told Sky Sports he had only attended the meeting with the undercover reporters as a favour to friend and agent Scott McGarvey, who he says was hoping to land a job out of it.

The former Bolton, West Ham and Sunderland boss was appointed England manager in July after Roy Hodgson left the role following the side's second round defeat by Iceland at Euro 2016.

The Football Association called his conduct "inappropriate" and said his contract was ended by mutual consent.

Allardyce added: "The agreement was done very amicably with The FA and I apologise to those and all concerned in the unfortunate position I've put myself in."

He was speaking to reporters outside his home on Wednesday before leaving the country to go on holiday.

Allardyce wished England Under-21s manager Gareth Southgate, who has been placed in temporary charge of the national side, and the rest of the players and staff "all the very best".

England's next match is a 2018 World Cup qualifier against Malta on Saturday, 8 October.

What did Allardyce do?

Allardyce was filmed saying it was "not a problem" to bypass rules on third-party player ownership, and claimed he knew of agents who were "doing it all the time".

Third-party ownership - when someone other than the buying and selling club owns a stake in a player, typically an investor - has been described as a form of "slavery" by Michel Platini, the former president of European football's governing body Uefa. The practice is banned by the FA and world governing body Fifa.

The Telegraph investigation also claimed that a £400,000 deal was struck for Allardyce to represent the company to Far East investors and to be a keynote speaker at events - though he stressed he would have to "run that by" his employers.

Allardyce also referred to his predecessor Roy Hodgson as "Woy", making fun of his manner of speaking, criticised Gary Neville, one of Hodgson's assistants, and made comments about FA president Prince William, while describing Prince Harry as a "naughty boy".

Further details of the Telegraph's wide-ranging investigation are published in Wednesday's edition of the paper - including a claim that eight past and present Premier League managers received illicit payments for transfers.

Five of the un-named eight have denied the allegations while three are yet to comment, the paper says.

What they said

"I'm angry, I'm sad, I'm staggered at the misjudgement from a guy who said this was his dream job." Ex-England striker and BBC pundit Alan Shearer.

"I've got a little bit of sympathy for him, but he gave the FA no choice." Former Wales midfielder Robbie Savage.

"If you want to be the England manager you have to be whiter than white and the Telegraph investigation shows he wasn't. This guy is being paid around £3m a year, why was he grubbing around trying to find £400,000 from somewhere?" Former FA chairman Greg Dyke.

"There's no question he brought the FA and football into disrepute and that's not acceptable. I have very little sympathy." Dyke's predecessor as FA chairman, David Bernstein.

"I don't think fans will be annoyed that he is explaining how to get around rules, I think it is more that he was chasing money around the world when the focus should have been on the England job." Former England defender Danny Mills.

What next for England?

After just one match in charge - a 1-0 win over Slovakia in England's opening World Cup 2018 qualifier - Allardyce becomes the national side's shortest-serving full-time manager.

The FA said it would begin its search for a new England manager while Southgate takes charge for the Malta game as well as World Cup qualifiers against Slovenia and Scotland plus a friendly with Spain.

Allardyce was due to name his next squad on Sunday.

Allegations 'very concerning' - Crouch

Sports Minister Tracey Crouch said in a statement: "The integrity of sport is absolutely paramount and we have been clear that we expect the highest standards of governance and transparency from sports governing bodies, here in the UK and on the international stage.

"In this context, the recent allegations regarding English football are very concerning and we will be discussing the matter with the football authorities.

"All the evidence presented to them must be investigated fully and we stand ready to assist in any way we can."


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 Post subject: Re: England ~ Big Sam's Big Plan
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:36 am 
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He was the only English manager I had any faith left in. Pardew is a twat and its too soon for Eddie. Wouldn't even consider Bruce.
Maybe its time for Wenger? His stint at Arsenal can't go on much longer can it?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:43 pm 
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There's no difference between Allardyce & Bruce imo both have got clubs promoted through the divisions and come from that old school sort of background wouldn't be suprised if Bruce was one of the names on that list from the Telegraph same can probably be said for Pardew he doesn't strike me as a particularly clean cut guy.

Not sure Wenger would be a good England manager you need to be flexible tactically which he isn't he has one way and every man and his dog knows how to beat his system of playing. Wenger imo would be more suited to the sort of role Dan Ashworth has almost a director of football looking long term.

Doesn't matter who's in charge anyway the players aren't good enough and it's time the media in this country just accept that they don't get enough experience in Champions League level and they certainly don't have a track record of proving that talent in the later rounds of the tournament which is the elite level football competition. People slag off the golden generation saying they failed but these guys dined at the top table in Europe for a decade and could go toe to toe with Europes elite and come off as winners this generation haven't proven that yet.

England for to long have try to be like someone else first it was the french, then it was the spanish and now it's the Germans. England needs to decide what they want English players to be look at our strengths and maximise them which is what all of those nations did to get success. You might have seen the #firstneverfollows knocking around online think it's something to do with Adidas but it's true if you just copy what someone else does chances are you will close the gap to them but you'll never beat it because you won't be able to do it as good as them plus while you're catching up to them they're improving you need to be inovative.


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I'd say if Southgate does alright in his 4 games in charge just leave him to it for this one.

He's worked with quite a few of these players in the U21's and the England players need to learn to respect whoever is in charge.

There's no other obvious candidates let Howe, Dyche, Monk etc keep learning the ropes at club level then if Southgate fails with World Cup 2018 then look at one of them to follow on.


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The FA is keen to speak to former Schalke coach Ralf Rangnick about the vacant England manager's job following Sam Allardyce's departure, Sky sources understand.

The 58-year-old is currently Director of Sports at Bundesliga club Red Bull Leipzig and was interviewed by the FA at Wembley following the departure of Roy Hodgson after Euro 2016.

Sky sources understand technical director Dan Ashworth - who tried to appoint him at West Brom in 2012 - was again impressed by Rangnick.

However, the German was later told that the job would be going to an English candidate.

Rangnick, a fluent English-speaker, took Schalke to the Champions League semi-finals in 2011, where they were beaten by Manchester United.


F*ck Klinsmann if you want to go foreign and appoint a German this is the guy.

This guy was a big influence on managers like Klopp and lately Tuchel he favours the high intensity pressing break neck speed stuff we see from those managers which if you look at the sort of players England have on paper works IF and it's a big IF they are fit enough.


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Manchester United winger Jesse Lingard has been called up by interim England manager Gareth Southgate for World Cup qualifiers against Malta and Slovenia.

The 23-year-old winger, part of Southgate's under-21 squad at the 2015 European Championship, has scored one goal in four United games this season.

Club team-mate Marcus Rashford is back in the senior squad after scoring a hat-trick against Norway Under-21s.

Stoke's Glen Johnson returns for the first time since the 2014 World Cup.

The 32-year-old former Liverpool right-back has 54 caps but has only played in three Premier League matches this season following a seven-month lay-off with a knee injury.

Arsenal winger Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is back after a year's absence.

Southgate has taken on the England role after Sam Allardyce left on Tuesday.

He will take charge of the Wembley game with Malta on Saturday and the trip to Slovenia three days later.

Lingard has been named in the senior squad once before, but failed to make it onto the field in England's 2-0 friendly win over France in November.

Southgate said that Leicester midfielder Danny Drinkwater had been ruled out after picking up an injury at the weekend, as were Liverpool pair Adam Lallana and Nathaniel Clyne who were injured in the Reds' win at Swansea on Saturday.

"We've tried to keep some continuity from last month because my view would be that there are a lot of things that have been going right," said Southgate.

"We've had a few people unavailable through injury like Harry Kane and Jack Butland, while Luke Shaw isn't quite back fit yet. That's had a bearing on the squad."

England lie second in Group F, level on three points with leaders Scotland, after Lallana's late goal gave Allardyce victory away to Slovakia in his only match in charge.

Meanwhile, there was no place for Watford striker Troy Deeney. Former England players Alan Shearer and Jermaine Jenas suggested on BBC TV's Match of the Day that the uncapped 29-year-old could force his way into the squad in the absence of fellow striker Kane.

After the Malta and Slovenia games, Southgate also has the home game against Scotland on 11 November and a friendly against Spain on 15 November to press his claim for the job before the Football Association makes a decision on a permanent appointment.

Allardyce's reign came to an end after only 67 days after he was filmed apparently advising undercover reporters on how to get around rules over third parties owning players.

England squad

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Torino, on loan from Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley)

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Stoke), Danny Rose (Tottenham), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kyle Walker (Tottenham)

Midfielders: Eric Dier (Tottenham), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Michail Antonio (West Ham), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Dele Alli (Tottenham)

Strikers: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Jamie Vardy (Leicester)


Our wide options really are poor and we'll miss Lallana probably the best England player of the last 12 months and that's coming from someone who never really rated him he's improved massively.


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Due diligence was carried out on Sam Allardyce before his appointment as England manager, says Football Association chairman Greg Clarke.

Allardyce, 61, left his role in September after 67 days in charge following a newspaper investigation claiming he offered advice on how to "get around" rules on player transfers.

Asked by MPs whether the FA looked into previous allegations against Allardyce made by a 2006 BBC Panorama programme, Clarke said no significant issues were found.




In response to Panorama, then Bolton manager Allardyce denied claims he had received illegal payments from agents.

An inquiry by Lord Stevens later suggested that he may have had a conflict of interest with his agent son Craig Allardyce, but it found no evidence of irregular payments.

Allardyce's stint as England manager lasted only one match following his appointment in July.

The former West Ham, Newcastle, Notts County and Blackburn boss was filmed in July 2016 telling undercover reporters it was "not a problem" to bypass rules on third-party player ownership and claimed he knew of agents who were "doing it all the time".

The Telegraph investigation also claimed that a £400,000 deal was struck for Allardyce to represent the Far East firm the reporters claimed to work for, and to be a speaker at events, although Allardyce said he would have to "run that by" the FA first.

Allardyce said he "made a significant error of judgement", but that "entrapment had won" following his departure from the England job.

He added: "Although it was made clear during the recorded conversations that any proposed arrangements would need the FA's full approval, I recognise I made some comments which have caused embarrassment."

Clarke said the FA is still waiting for the Telegraph and police to release the full information from their investigation.

Answering questions from MPs at a Commons select committee into football governance, Clarke said Allardyce was given a pay-off when he left England, but refused to disclose the sum.

On Friday, FA vice-chairman David Gill told BBC Sport that Allardyce's exit was a "complete disappointment" and that "no-one saw it coming".


Due dilegence checks wouldn't have thrown anything up as he's never actually been found guilty of anything questions have been asked about his past but he was cleared of any wrong doing.

I still don't think Allardyce did much wrong but once that story was out he was always going to go the FA can't afford to be associated with those sort of headlines he was just showing off in front of a crowd and it's hardly ground breaking stuff saying clubs/agents have worked out ways of getting around third party ownership.

Football is a cash rich industry full of shady individuals and very little regulation almost anyone can set themselves up as an agency and there's so many of them it's almost impossible to regulate where all the money goes on deals made between private companies.


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The Football Association parted company with its England manager, Sam Allardyce, because it found his unmoderated Big Sam demeanour, covertly filmed for a newspaper by people posing as investors, boorish and “unbecoming”. The FA has subsequently admitted that Allardyce broke no rules; he did not, as widely misreported, advise how to break football regulations forbidding third-party ownership, and that was why the FA had to give him a £1m payoff.

The FA chairman, Greg Clarke, then hauled in front of the parliamentary committee for culture, media and sport to answer for the governing body’s approach to corruption, said the FA was vigilant, wanted to act but needed the “evidence”.

Sadly, that is not borne out by the sorry established facts in a legal action now taken successfully to the court of appeal by one doggedly determined agent, Tony McGill. For two years the FA has been sitting on evidence of wrongdoing, fully established and laid out for it in a high court judgment as a result of McGill’s efforts, which he pursued after the FA did nothing. His Honour Judge Waksman QC found that in June 2007, when Bolton Wanderers, then managed by Sammy Lee, signed the midfielder Gavin McCann from Aston Villa, the agents, Jerome Anderson’s SEM, poached McCann from an oral agreement with McGill, multiple breaches of the FA’s rules were apparently committed, and several witnesses, including Lee, lied in court. Lee’s evidence, claiming that he and the Bolton general manager Frank McParland had met SEM to discuss McCann in a Liverpool restaurant, seeking to show that SEM had been involved longer than was truthfully the case, was dismissed as “unreliable” and “false”.

Yet when Allardyce, newly appointed as England manager, wanted Lee, his former assistant at Bolton, to join him in the FA’s employ, the FA hired Lee, despite this evidence having been concluded and set out in a published judgment in September 2014. Its findings of fact have now been upheld by the court of appeal, which has said McGill is entitled to damages. The high court judgment set out the following apparent misconduct: the involvement in the deal of an unlicensed agent, Dave Sheron, employed by SEM; the FA rules at the time required clubs and players only to deal with licensed agents. Sheron poached McCann, for whom McGill had agreed with Bolton a deal paying the player £25,000 a week plus £3,000 every game he played.

The contract between Bolton and SEM was backdated to falsely represent that SEM had been involved a week earlier than the reality, which was that they had pushed McGill out at the last minute. Bolton then paid SEM £300,000 for doing “little or nothing”, Waksman found. Bolton, he stated, did not realise the purpose of the backdating, but nevertheless the Premier League club did agree to backdate the contract, which made the document false according to the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981.

Agents’ contracts had to be lodged with the FA, and Bolton sent the governing body a copy with the date, 8 June 2007, changed in handwriting to 1. The chairman of Bolton at the time, who signed the contract, was the late Phil Gartside, at the time an FA board member. Gartside was not found to have known about the backdating – he signed first and the date was written in later by SEM’s agent, Jeff Weston, who was found to have done it deliberately. But in court, Gartside dissembled and “became visibly uncomfortable” under questioning, Waksman said, before finally accepting that he had signed on 8 June, only when the evidence made that admission “inevitable”.

The contract stated that SEM was acting for the club only, not the player, even though Sheron had agreed with McCann that SEM would act on his deal, a practice known as “switching”. The court heard that McCann, agreeing this £1m-plus per year deal for three years at the end of his career, did not like paying tax where a club had paid an agent’s fee on his behalf, so SEM was noted as acting for the club. Despite that, the Bolton secretary, Simon Marland, did class the agent’s fee, which Bolton paid, as a benefit to McCann with tax to be paid, because, he said, HMRC was closely investigating football transfers.

McGill, who had known McCann for years and worked hard to secure this move from Aston Villa to Bolton, complained to the FA as soon as Sheron poached McCann, on 8 June 2007, even before the deal was concluded. He sent further detail in October 2009, complaining about Sheron being an unlicensed agent, SEM engaging in “switching”, the backdating of the contract and other issues. The FA did interview Weston in July 2008 and McCann in 2009, but no charges were ever brought.

McGill’s solicitors gingerly asked the FA in late 2011 if the governing body had made any progress, and were told it was “confidential”. No action has ever been taken. The FA, which has declined to comment, might argue that it did not have the power, as a court does, to establish if McGill’s complaints were justified – but then, because he would not be cowed, McGill took his case to court which presented the FA with established evidence in 2014.

Perhaps worse than the apparent breaches of regulations, certainly more depressing for lovers of our national game, were Waksman’s findings about the lying and dishonesty of these football men. Of Lee and McParland’s story about discussing McCann with SEM in a Liverpool restaurant in May 2007, Waksman summarised in his ruling on legal costs: “The events attested to by the Bolton witnesses concerning these meetings simply did not happen. True, I did not use the word ‘dishonesty’ [in his original judgment], but plainly if their evidence on the facts on this issue was false they must have known it to be so.”

Significant elements of Gartside’s evidence were described as “unsatisfactory”; the player, McCann, was “clearly untruthful” on occasion, Waksman found; Anderson was “a very unreliable witness”; Weston’s denial that Sheron was acting as an unlicensed agent was “absurd”; Sheron’s account of it was “implausible”.

Even now, after the court of appeal has upheld all these findings and ruled further in favour of McGill on the question of damages, the FA will not comment. Clarke says they need evidence, to which the obvious riposte in this case is: how much evidence do you need?

When the FA’s newly chosen manager was filmed covertly, breaking no rules but being a bit of an embarrassment, the FA rolled over in a day. Trying to look strong, it sent Allardyce on his way with £1m, for stuff he said over drinks in a fictitious situation. Meanwhile the FA took on, pays and retains his assistant, who was found to have lied in court about a real life transfer scandal. This week Sammy Lee is working with Gareth Southgate to prepare the England team for the World Cup qualifier against Scotland, poppies proudly on sleeves in roared-on defiance of Fifa, the world governing body disdained for its record on corruption.


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