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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:14 am 
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First season I walked the league, only finished with about 78 points but was champion with 3 games to spare. Second season Juventus went on a monster run where they just won every game, was only towards the end of the season that they lost a couple of games, otherwise they'd have won it with about 95 points.

If I sold everyone who annoyed me I'd have no players left :D

Not so much in real life, but in the game both Flamini and Muntari annoyed me by coming to complain about not playing enough games... when they were both injured and out for 4-6 weeks at the time.

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But James and Pak both said they were voting JSP


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You know what Paks like. He's probably voted JSP for woman of the year or something.


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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:57 am 
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Some of the unlockables on classic mode make great fun. I've just unlocked the "all players interested" ability, and the "no loan restrictions" ability.

Started a new game with Gillingham, and before a ball was even kicked in League 2 had managed to bring in: Amos, Doyley, Pilkington, Maloney, C Cole, Bothroyd, and another right back whose name I forget, all on loan.

Also got Cristiano Zanetti on a free.

Nearly managed to sign Anderson on loan too until Chelsea came in for him :lol:

Bothroyd has scored 9 goals in 4 games so far :fonz:

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But James and Pak both said they were voting JSP


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You know what Paks like. He's probably voted JSP for woman of the year or something.


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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Last time I was on it I lost the Euro Super Cup final to Chelsea, but will be cracking on with it at some point because I want to win that World Club Cup.


I'm crap at updating this thread aren't I?

I lost the World Club Cup final in that season, which I was really p*ssed off with because it's probably one of, if not the easiest competitions to win once you're in it. IF I had won it I'd have probably moved onto another save, but as it stood I had unfinished business. :angry:

Anyway in that same season I reached my 3rd consecutive final and lost to Chelsea (again) just like I had two season's before. Wrapped up the league and cup as usual, I seem to win the league and cup double every year now, it's just Europe/World that needs conquering and I'm done.

In the season after I got knocked out in the CL last 16, proper f*cked that one up! Then the season after I got to the final again and beat Bayern 2-1 with an injury time goal, and sealed a treble.

So now I'm in my 10th season, won the Euro Super cup and Italian Super cup already.. will be playing in the World Club Cup soon, just got a couple of CL group games and a few league matches to do.

So far after 9 seasons I've won 7 leagues, 8 cups, 2 cls, 7 charity shields, 2 euro super cups and the europa league.. just the WCC missing!

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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Reedo wrote:
I lost the World Club Cup final in that season, which I was really p*ssed off with because it's probably one of, if not the easiest competitions to win once you're in it. IF I had won it I'd have probably moved onto another save, but as it stood I had unfinished business. :angry:

...I seem to win the league and cup double every year now, it's just Europe/World that needs conquering and I'm done.

Then the season after I got to the final again and beat Bayern 2-1 with an injury time goal, and sealed a treble.

So now I'm in my 10th season, won the Euro Super cup and Italian Super cup already.. will be playing in the World Club Cup soon, just got a couple of CL group games and a few league matches to do.

So far after 9 seasons I've won 7 leagues, 8 cups, 2 cls, 7 charity shields, 2 euro super cups and the europa league.. just the WCC missing!


About time I had a blast on FM myself, I've not played it for ages. Pre-season 3 or 4 IIRC, and I've just got the United job and abandoned Southampton who I'd brought up. Taken the England job too, though not done anything with them except drop John Terry. Got my first result already. :D

Good to hear you've done so well, that's one hell of a haul. You get that missing trophy eventually. It's usually the charity shield eludes me, bet you need incredible odds for it to let you win the whole lot. Even better it was vs Bayern too in a nod to '99. :fonz:

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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:26 pm 
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Grrr.. just finished that season I mentioned I was part way through.

Won everything Euro Super Cup, Italian Super Cup, Italian League, World Club Cup, Italian Cup.. and lost the CL final right at the end. :lol:

Gonna try something new when I go back on.

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idontfeardeath wrote: Nevermind. It's not like he's going to make the Juve starting 11. :lol:
Spawny wrote: Tata Paul. Enjoy Juve's reserve team, but at least the weather will be nicer.

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Manchester United fans look away now: Paul Pogba has been crowned the best young player in Europe.

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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:09 pm 
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Reedo wrote:
Grrr.. just finished that season I mentioned I was part way through.

Won everything Euro Super Cup, Italian Super Cup, Italian League, World Club Cup, Italian Cup.. and lost the CL final right at the end. :lol:

Gonna try something new when I go back on.


Tantalisingly close. That's unlucky.

When you do something new, do you start a new game or just apply for another job elsewhere?

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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:01 am 
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I'll probably make a new save I think.

I find it difficult to leave clubs when I've built up a squad and trained a load of regens.

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idontfeardeath wrote: Nevermind. It's not like he's going to make the Juve starting 11. :lol:
Spawny wrote: Tata Paul. Enjoy Juve's reserve team, but at least the weather will be nicer.

2013
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Manchester United fans look away now: Paul Pogba has been crowned the best young player in Europe.

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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:49 am 
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I've f'ked my Gillingham save right up... too reliant on loan players and free signings. Now about to start in the Championship and only have 16 players in the squad, with no wage budget left to spend... Oopsie :wall:

Looks like a tough season ahead, or a jump to another job :lol:

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But James and Pak both said they were voting JSP


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You know what Paks like. He's probably voted JSP for woman of the year or something.


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 Post subject: Re: FM 2013
PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:37 pm 
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The comedian Jason Manford tells a story on stage which sounds too ridiculous to be true but, according to those who have spoken with him, , is completely genuine. "I went and did a gig at Manchester City and met a load of the players," says the self-confessed City fan. "I met Micah Richards, the defender, and I was a bit rude to him. Afterwards my dad, who was with me, said 'you were a bit rude to Micah Richards'. I said 'yeah, I don't know why'. It was only when I got home I realised on Football Manager he'd turned up late for training a couple of times."

"That's probably the best FM-related anecdote I've ever heard," says Miles Jacobson, studio director of Sports Interactive, the developers behind Football Manager and the head of the team currently in the process of creating the 21st edition of the computer game, which is scheduled to be released later this year.

"It was about 10 years ago that someone told me there was this up-and-coming comedian called Jason, who, as part of his routine at the Edinburgh Festival, was doing stuff about Football Manager. I decided to go see him and although this was before the Micah Richards thing had happened, the stuff he was saying was still really funny and really complimentary. It was then that I realised we'd broken into the mainstream."

Alongside Manford there a host of other famous figures who have come out as Football Manager fanatics, including fellow stand-up Kevin Bridges, Andy Murray and Stuart Broad. If anything, however, they are merely the well-known faces of an ever increasing community of people – some of them geeks, some of them natural obsessives, all of them football lovers – who share a passion for seemingly cryptic phrases and practically unheard-of footballers. Just watch their eyes light up at the mention of "DMA RLC" and "Nii Lamptey".

"Fans of Football Manager are like members of a cult," Jacobson says. "But it's a very big cult and one that is growing all the time. Dads who played the original games are introducing it to their children while big brothers are doing the same with their siblings. Football Manager 2013, our most recent game, has been our most successful to date – 1.2 million copies sold on PC and Mac and over 10 million illegal downloads in the past year. The interest is growing, which for a game that's been around for over 20 years is remarkable."

The first Football Manager came out in 1992, and back then was known as Championship Manager. The premise was a simple one – allow the user to manage any club across England's top four divisions in an authentic a way as possible. That meant buying and selling players, picking a team and their tactics for league and cup fixtures and, if the opportunity presented itself, the chance to move on to a big and better job.

The graphics were simple, as was the gameplay and range of options available to the would-be Fergie or Clough, but that to a large extent was the appeal. Users could find their stride easily and quickly and once they were in – well, as practically anyone who has played Football Manager would testify to, it was almost impossible to get out.

As the game's popularity grew so did its scope and depth, with Jacobson boasting that Football Manager 2014 (the name change occurred a decade ago following a split between Sports Interactive and games publisher Eidos) will contain close to 1,000 new "items".

Among the advancements are up to 10 new player-roles, including a shadow striker and a regista ("a deeper deep-lying playmaker"), individual player-instructions, a revamped "live" transfer system and even the option of offering long-serving squad members a testimonial.

"There is a lot of pressure on us to deliver a bigger and better version each year," says Jacobson, who joined SI 20 years ago as a tester and regularly speaks to over 50 people directly involved in football to keep the game as accurate and realistic as possible.

"The love Football Manager fans have for the game is intense — I regularly get death threats on Twitter from people who aren't happy with an element of the game or who've just lost in the Champions League final and for some reason think that's my fault. That's pathetic but it shows how much FM means to people, and alongside the abuse we also get a lot of compliments. It's particularly nice hearing from managers and players who claim they have developed their understanding of football from the game. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, for instance, told us that he developed his understanding of the tactics he uses at Molde from playing Football Manager."

For all its innovations and increasingly slick graphics, Football Manager's greatest asset remains its database of players. Alongside the 60 SI staff who work full-time on developing the game, there are 1,500 researchers spread across 51 countries and regions around the world whose job it is to liaise with managers, youth coaches and scouts in order to accurately rate, across a number of different skills and strengths, the 550,000-plus players and staff available for purchase, sale and hire in the game .

"SI's biggest claim to fame is that it was us who first found out about Lionel Messi," Jacobson says. "He was playing for Barcelona B at the time and Alex McLeish tells a story of when, during his time as Rangers manager, his son came up to him and said he should sign this amazing young forward called Messi who he'd come across on Football Manager. McLeish said he'd never heard of him and forgot about the whole thing. The rest is history."

But as well as stumbling on the next superstar, SI's researchers have also been known for wildly over-estimating the talent and prospects of less well-known players, none perhaps more famous than Lamptey, the Ghanaian forward who was a must-have foreign signing in Championship Manager 93/94.

In real life his career proved less than fantastic, with a starring role at the 1991 Under-17 World Championship – and the subsequent claim that he was the "next Pelé" from Pelé himself – the high-point. There was naturally much excitement among CM fans when Lamptey signed for Aston Villa in 1994 but, up close, it quickly became evident that he had as much chance of being the next Pelé as Dalian Atkinson.

"When you've got a database of 550,000 players and staff there are naturally going to be a few mistakes, and in the case of Football Manager the mistakes have become cult heroes," Jacobson says. "The fans love them but I don't. I strive for accuracy and see any mistakes in the database as a failure on our part."

But that, as Jacobson intimates, is not how Football Manager devotees judge the likes of Lamptey, Kennedy Bakircioglu, Ibrahima Bakayoko, Cherno Samba, Tonton Zola Moukoko, or any of the other cult heroes created by game. Indeed, the comedian Tony Jameson devotes an entire section to them in his one-man show, Football Manager Ruined My Life, which he is performing to sold-out crowds at the Edinburgh Festival.

"There's probably no part of the show that gets a greater cheer," he remarks. "The majority of the people who come along are Football Manager fans and for them the likes of Lamptey and Bakircioglu are universally loved figures."

Jameson describes his show as a "mid-life retrospective" examining how a game he first played two decades ago turned him from an enthusiast into an addict. "I've worked out that, on average, I've played Football Manager for three hours a day for the past 20 years. That works out to 21,915 hours, or two-and-a-half years, of my life."

Jameson is on his 35th consecutive season as manager of Blyth Spartans, having taken the Northumberland club from the Northern League to Premier League and Champions League success. "I'm 76 in Football Manager years," says the 33-year-old. "I was going to apply for the Brazil job a little while back but realised that would probably be too much of a commute for a man in his 70s."

It has been during his time in charge of Blyth that Jameson has displayed the kind of obsessive-bordering-on-mentally-unstable behaviour that separates a casual Football Manager player from a genuine addict. "The worst it got was probably when I reacted to getting a touchline ban by playing the game from outside my room," he says. "I hit start, left the room, came in again at half-time, hit start and left again. It was a Champions League tie against Espanyol. We lost 1-0."

That is nothing, however, compared with some of the tales journalist and self-confessed FM addict Iain Macintosh gathered in the process of putting together Football Manager Stole My Life: 20 Years of Beautiful Obsession, the book he co-wrote alongside Kenny Millar and Neil White.

"We heard some horror stories," he says. "There was the student whose friends staged an intervention, holding him down and smashing the disk in front of him, and then the chap, another journalist, whose wife found him sat with his head in his hands in the kitchen late one night. 'What's wrong?' she said. 'I've been sacked,' he mumbled. His wife burst into tears. She was pregnant, they'd just taken out a mortgage, she was terrified for their future. It took him several minutes to clarify that he'd only been sacked on a computer game, not in real life."

Macintosh himself once wore a suit and played Abide With Me through Spotify before managing a team in an FA Cup final and ultimately a simple question has to be asked – why have so many people become so obsessed with Football Manager? So much so that it was cited as the cause in 35 divorce cases last year.

"I'm a comedian, but like most lads I dreamt of being a footballer, or being involved in football, and Football Manager gives you that hope of making it," Jameson says.

"It's a basic concept executed fantastically well and as the game has become more in-depth and detailed the more people who play it have been able to engross themselves in the art of management. There is a genuine sense of achievement when, for instance, you complete your first giant-killing in the FA Cup despite the fact that essentially all you've done is defeated a load of pixels on a giant spreadsheet."


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