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 Post subject: Fracking - Are you convinced/bothered/worried?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:25 pm 
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All I'll say is, why do we get tree huggers and weirdos aiming to convince us that they care for the planet, when most of 'em seem to be using it as an excuse for not going out and getting a job? (I say most - not all)

They have ideas that we're all victims of left-wing conspirators, that the government are in the pockets of industrialists and the police.

Pi** off back to real life. Get a job, start giving something to the country like productivity instead of spending the tax WE pay on keeping the peace and clearing up after you.

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 Post subject: Re: Fracking - Are you convinced/bothered/worried?
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As long as it can be extracted safely and cleanly (ie don't ruin the landscape) I really don't see the problems.

I'm all for the introduction of Green technology and improving efficiency on the things we use but we're not ready to go fully green so if we can extract the gas safely then why not.

Also, not being as reliant on imported gas/oil surely has to be a good thing for the country?

The concern is we don't know the long term effects that the drilling has on the environment there are scare stories in America about it poisoning the water but they are yet unproven.


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 Post subject: Re: Fracking - Are you convinced/bothered/worried?
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Have to agree to disagree on this one. I carried out a lot of research on fracking recently as part of my degree - there is huge evidence of fracking causing irreparable damage to water tables in areas of the US - in some cases whole communities have been decimated because of the destruction of their land.
The jobs that are supposed to come with the drilling are one of the main selling points but these are actually mostly to outside specialists, not locals.
In Northern Ireland they are proposing it in fermanagh, an area of outstanding natural beauty. For me the potential for destruction far outweighs the proposed benefits.

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 Post subject: Re: Fracking - Are you convinced/bothered/worried?
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Sheasy's Bum Hamster wrote:
Have to agree to disagree on this one. I carried out a lot of research on fracking recently as part of my degree - there is huge evidence of fracking causing irreparable damage to water tables in areas of the US - in some cases whole communities have been decimated because of the destruction of their land.
The jobs that are supposed to come with the drilling are one of the main selling points but these are actually mostly to outside specialists, not locals.
In Northern Ireland they are proposing it in fermanagh, an area of outstanding natural beauty. For me the potential for destruction far outweighs the proposed benefits.


Agree with you SBH - I read an article on the effects on areas of the US recently. I know it was only roughnecks in Sh*thole, Texas but still... :p

This is typical short-termism, although you can see why the politicians have jumped on it. More environmentally friendly (arguably) and politically less sensitive than Nuclear. Whilst "green" technology is great and definitely needed, reliance on fracking could mean a delay on bringing these technologies forward. I mean, the environment is going to hell in a handcart anyway but fracking will just bring the day of judegement forward!!

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 Post subject: Re: Fracking - Are you convinced/bothered/worried?
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From the little knowledge I have I think I agree with SBH, not only can it not be good for the water table, the chemicals involved can't be good for the water content.

I think more research is required for me. A lot of the research so far seems to be biased in one direction and not really independent.

However I do agree with Willie, I don't agree with all these people looking for causes to go to and cause trouble. There are ways you can bring peoples attention to stuff without trashing areas and fighting with police.

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I think they use nuclear over here. It doesn't matter what they do. The price will never come down.


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