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2 dead and over 20 injured as 2 explosions occur 20 seconds apart at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.

It's a state holiday in Boston and apparently around 500,000 people attend.

They have yet to reveal what happened but most assuming the blasts were bombs planted


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Some people have speculated that the fact it's tax day might mean it was some crazed American trying to prove a point.

Awful whatever the case.

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The explosion came from within a building next to the line by all accounts.

Very sad.

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Sick evil coward(s) - targeting innocents. If you have a problem with a government go fight its army.
Sad to hear that 2 are dead especially the 8 y.o.g irl. With a 5 y.o. myself it's very sad to hear that.

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Tragic waste of life. RIP

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Absolutely tragic. 3 dead and over 100 injured is the latest I heard.

Whoever did this needs to be found an punished.

There were also 2 other bombs found and disarmed.

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Three people have been confirmed dead and more than 100 injured following a coordinated bombing at the Boston Marathon.

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Bill Iffrig fell when the Boston Marathon bomb exploded. Shortly afterwards he got up again and finished the race. Photo: @BGlobeSports

By Chris Irvine - Telegraph.co.uk




• Three dead, dozens injured as 'bombs' hit race finish line
• The clock showed 4:09:44... then the shockwave hit
• Barack Obama promises 'full weight of justice'






A lot has been made of the fact that Barack Obama did not use the word "terror" in his statement last night. Fox News is reporting that a senior Obama administration told them: "When multiple devices go off, that's an act of terrorism."

The official stressed however that it is unclear who is behind the attack.

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Bomb squad was running “controlled explosion” on the same day

by: J. D. Heyes - naturalnews.com


What’s not yet being reported by the mainstream media is that a “controlled explosion” was under way on the same day as the marathon explosion.

As the Boston Globe tweeted today, “Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities.”

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Bloomberg news is now saying, “This is very likely a terrorist attack.”

The question is: Who are the terrorists? It’s far too early to take an informed guess on all this. However, it is indisputable that the FBI is actively engaged in carrying out bomb plots in the United States, then halting them at the last minute to “catch the terrorists.” This fact has been covered by the New York Times, among other publications.

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New York Times openly admits domestic terror plots masterminded by the FBI


If it seems as though the FBI is making a large number of terror busts these days, maybe it's because the agency itself is at least partly responsible for hatching the plots. That has some political observers wondering if the FBI's strategies are making the best use of the nation's limited counterterrorist resources.

In recent months, FBI agents have arrested suspects who were planning a range of terrorist attacks, from shooting Stinger missiles at military aircraft to driving vanloads of explosives into crowded events. But these amazing cases might not have ever been made if the FBI itself wasn't themselves planning the attacks.

A number of these cases were profiled recently in a New York Times op-ed column, which noted that the so-called plots were devised by an agency that seems to be operating as if the nation is so devoid of legitimate threats that it needs to manufacture some in order to seem relevant.

Withstanding legal scrutiny, but still questionable

Consider the case of Oregon college student Mohamed Osman Mohamud. He thought about using a car bomb to attack a well-attended, festive Christmas tree-lighting ceremony in Portland. The FBI gave him a van packed with inert explosives consisting of some real, but inactive, detonators and six 55-gallon drums, along with a gallon of diesel fuel. An FBI agent even drove the van. When Mohamud called the cell phone number that was supposed to trigger the explosion, nothing explosive happened, except that he got arrested.

Was Mohamud seriously considering such an attack prior to the FBI involvement? If so, could he have put it together by himself? Was he working with someone else the FBI doesn't know about who is more of a legitimate threat?

It's hard to say. Obviously Mohamud was at least having bad thoughts, and that's disconcerting in and of itself (though not criminal). But if the FBI had not manufactured an attack, would he have gone through with anything?

Mohamud's case is far from the only one manufactured by the FBI, and it is certainly not the only one that has held up in court. In fact, such operations are not only legal but they are a common counterterrorism tactic employed by the agency in the post-9/11 world. Terror defendants most often try to claim entrapment, but they also most often lose because the law says as long as they showed at least some intent to commit a terrorist act, even if tempted to do so by undercover agents, they are guilty.

Using even the weak-minded to make a case

"Many times," says Dean Boyd, a Justice Department spokesman, "suspects are warned about the seriousness of their plots and given opportunities to back out." But, the Times report indicates recorded conversations show that the warning is not always given, and that in some cases suspects are even encouraged to continue.

Inventing such cases isn't as easy as, say, manufacturing a sting operation where an alleged drug dealer or arms trafficker sells to an undercover agent. That's because those kinds of crimes occur regularly in the United States.
But David Raskin, a former federal prosecutor told the Times, "There isn't a business of terrorism in the United States, thank God."

"You're not going to be able to go to a street corner and find somebody who's already blown something up," he said. "So the goal is to find someone who isn't engaged in terrorism yet but is looking for a real terrorist who could provide them with an opportunity."

You can sometimes get the impression that maybe the FBI is operating off of some sort of counterterrorism quota. Consider one of the most recent cases of thwarting a planned attack:

Of five so-called anarchists who were arrested for ostensibly planning to destroy a bridge in Ohio in late April, three of them had documented mental health issues. One was even talked out of committing suicide in February, right before he was enticed to join in the plot by an FBI informant.


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FBI 'entrapment' tactics questioned in web of phony terror plots and paid informants

Dec 05, 2011 by: J. D. Heyes - NaturalNews.com



Dave Williams might have made some bad choices in his life that ultimately led to some jail time. But his greatest "crime," seems to have been manufactured by an overzealous federal agency looking to make some sort of "progress" in the war on terror.

Williams, who grew up poor in the small, gritty New York town of Newburgh, had already served time on a drug rap when he and three other local men were arrested in May 2009 on charges they plotted to blow up Jewish synagogues and purchase anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down military planes.

Oddly enough, however, the weapons didn't come from some deep, dark terrorist organization. No, they were provided by none other than the F.B.I. who, through a paid informant, set up a so-called "terror" plot they themselves were then able to take down - and take credit for busting up.

Lawyers for Williams and his three "co-conspirators" agree that, were it not for the F.B.I. creating this so-called plot out of thin air, none of the men would be in jail and, in fact, there would have been no plot at all.

It seems, on the surface at least, to be a classic case of entrapment, and some of the legal experts who have examined the facts of the case are shaking their heads. "The target, the motive, the ideology and the plot were all led by the FBI," Karen Greenberg, a law professor at Fordham University in New York, who specializes in studying the new FBI tactics, told the London Guardian newspaper.

"We have as close to a legal entrapment case as I have ever seen," adds Susanne Brody, who is representing another Newburgh defendant, Onta Williams.

The sting of the "Newburgh Four" is not unique. Instead of responding to, or attempting to thwart, actual terrorist plots, the F.B.I. seems to be manufacturing cases. The agency is busy sending informants into Muslim communities to talk of radical Islam and to see who bites on the bait. Even the judge in this case, Colleen McMahon, said when the men were finally sentenced that "there would never have been any case of the government had not made one up."

A similar circumstance involves five men accused of plotting to attack U.S. soldiers outside Fort Dix, N.J. "That case too involved dubious use of paid informants, an apparent over-reach of evidence and a plot that seemed suggested by the government," said the Guardian.

But the F.B.I scheming hasn't ended with the Newburgh Four. Now, new charges have surfaced that the agency is using is outreach programs to "secretly collect and store information about activities protected by the First Amendment for intelligence purposes," the A.C.L.U. alleges.

Among the activities the A.C.L.U. found in documents released by the F.B.I. under the Freedom of Information Act. Agents who attended Ramadan Iftar dinners under the guise of the FBI's mosque outreach program in San Francisco in 2007 and 2008 documented "participant names, conversations and presentations."

In 2009, agents participating in a career day sponsored by an Assyrian community organization in San Jose, Calif., "detailed conversations with three community leaders and members about their opinions, backgrounds and charitable activities."

Also in San Jose in 2007, agents identified each person by name and organization and "demographics" at a mosque outreach meeting attended by 50 people representing 27 Muslim community and religious organizations. These cases beg the question: Doesn't the F.B.I. have enough to do chasing down and preventing legitimate terrorism cases without manufacturing them?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/no ... NETTXT9038

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... NETTXT3487

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/f ... -community

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My first thoughts, especially as this was on Patriot's Day, was right-wing, anti-gov, pro-gun libertarian nut jobs.

My sympathies go out to the families of the deceased and hurt.


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It could have been anyone, but it's a bit of a coincidence that the bomb squad were planning an explosion. And given the context of the 'terror' tweets either side of it, I'm guessing that the above tweets weren't supposed to be posted at all. :shrug:

I hope whoever is responsible is brought to justice, whether it is some nutcase or someone higher up the food chain like the FBI or a botched police bomb squad exercise.

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Does that not refer to the fact that other devices were found after the initial explosions, which were dealt with by controlled explosion?

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Does that not refer to the fact that other devices were found after the initial explosions, which were dealt with by controlled explosion?


I have no idea mate, I was just searching Google for a bit of news this morning and it was near the top. So I read it.

Seems the FBI are known to do things like this, and the police had their own bombs at the scene, but who did what, why and when you know as much as I do.

It was "a senior U.S. intelligence official" who said two other explosive devices were found nearby, but there was no mention of them being police bombs that were deactivated.

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Eyewitness says the bomb squad and sniffer dogs were around long before the race.

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While there is no confirmation yet on whether the blasts were the result of a terrorist attack, Stevenson said something he saw before the race was unusual.

"At the starting line this morning, they had bomb sniffing dogs and the bomb squad out there," he said. "They kept announcing to runners not to be alarmed, that they were running a training exercise."

He added, "I've run a lot of races like this one, but I never saw bomb dogs at the starting line of any running event. It led me to believe that something like (a bomb detonation) might have happened."


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Stevenson has gone into further detail about what he experienced in the morning at the start of the race, when participants in the marathon were told by police to stay calm as loudspeakers announced a bomb drill.

However, during a press conference, Boston police told Infowars reporter Dan Bidondi that there was “no specific intelligence” regarding an attack and that no drills took place besides the usual precautions taken for a big event.

When Bidondi again attempted to ask police about why people were being told to remain calm before the bombs exploded, there was no response.

“They kept making announcements saying to the participants ‘do not worry, this is just a training exercise’” said Stevenson, who is the University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach.

“Evidently, I don’t believe they were just having a training exercise, they must have known,” Stevenson told Local15 News. “They must have had some sort of threat or suspicion called in,” adding that spotters were stationed on roofs of buildings and that bomb sniffing dogs were going up and down the finish line.

Stevenson said the level of security he witnessed was unlike anything he had experienced as a marathon runner before in major cities such as Chicago, Washington D.C., and London.

Photographic evidence confirms Stevenson’s claim that there were spotters on the roof before the bombs exploded.

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As the Daily Mail reports, “A picture posted on Twitter shows an individual walking on the roof directly overlooking one of the blasts at the Boston Marathon.”

The fact that this individual is in such close proximity to the blast clearly suggests that he is either one of the perpetrators behind the attack or a police officer detailed with carrying out surveillance duties as part of the bomb drill.

Mike Adams explains, other inconsistencies in the official narrative also clearly suggest that the blasts were not unexpected.

“It is impossible for a bomb squad to have located, analyzed, rigged and detonated the third bomb in under an hour, especially when it was located one mile away, at the Kennedy Presidential Library,” he writes. “The Boston bomb squad clearly had advanced notice of the presence of the bombs at the marathon, and they also had advanced notice of the location of the bomb at the Kennedy Presidential Library. “

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Con loves a conspiracy :D . I'm sure there are bomb squads, sniffer dogs and spotters there as part of the normal security.

Two back packs found, pressure cookers, one stuffed with nails, other with shards and ball bearings.

Nasty. Hopefully the perps will be on CCTV.


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Con loves a conspiracy :D . I'm sure there are bomb squads, sniffer dogs and spotters there as part of the normal security.

Two back packs found, pressure cookers, one stuffed with nails, other with shards and ball bearings.

Nasty. Hopefully the perps will be on CCTV.


I sure do. :D And it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. :ninja: Image :lol:

And even a judge agreed RE the FBI's involvement in other similar cases, so it's not too fantastical. But who committed this crime I dunno.

It doesn't seem very clear cut that's all, but tbh I've not kept up with the news reports since it happened. Just seems a bit odd that if it was on the level with the police bomb disposal on the scene (for whatever reason) that it'd have been announced along with all the other 'facts' the media are spewing out, but AFAIK they never mentioned it... at least in the bits I read so far.

People who were there said security was already super high, and the most security they'd ever seen at a marathon. Maybe they'd had a tip off? Again, if so, why not announce it after the event along with all the other news? Not mentioning it the bomb squad at all makes me wonder why. I'm the curious sort.

There must've been thousands of cameras/mobile phones pointing at the finish line along with CCTV so hopefully there'll be a record of the whole thing and be able to identify whoever did it.

I'm the last person to disagree with protesting (if that's what it was), but the minute you hurt anyone you no longer have a point and you've lost... protests must be peaceful if you want to get support from the public.

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I imagine the FBI are currently going through all the CCTV and Mobile Phone footage to try and see what happened for all they know the bombs could have been there for days and set off by remote.

They've said this morning that they have found nails, ball bearings and part of the bag that they believe the bomb was stored in.

Information does seem to be slow coming out but I would imagine they want to be 100% sure before they name the suspects because people will expect to see immediate response if it's come from overseas rather than some local nut case.


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I imagine the FBI are currently going through all the CCTV and Mobile Phone footage to try and see what happened for all they know the bombs could have been there for days and set off by remote.

They've said this morning that they have found nails, ball bearings and part of the bag that they believe the bomb was stored in.

Information does seem to be slow coming out but I would imagine they want to be 100% sure before they name the suspects because people will expect to see immediate response if it's come from overseas rather than some local nut case.


I heard on the news the whole route was swept before the race. Hinting they would have been placed during the race.

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BOSTON (Reuters) - Boston Marathon bombing investigators on Wednesday entered the third day of their hunt with an emerging picture of the target: a suspect or suspects carrying heavy bags or backpacks made of dark nylon.

While still unable to conclude whether a group or individuals were responsible for the attacks that killed three people and wounded 176, and whether they were foreign or American, investigators gathered enough evidence at the crime scene on Tuesday to slightly narrow their search.

The two blasts struck seconds apart on Monday at the finish line of the race, maiming victims with shrapnel-packed bombs that investigators suspect were contained in pressure cookers. Seventeen people remained in critical condition.

President Barack Obama, who will travel to Boston on Thursday for a memorial service, has called the bombings an "act of terror." It was the worst bombings on U.S. soil since security was stepped up following the suicide hijack attacks of September 11, 2001.

No suspects were in custody and there were no claims of responsibility.

Evidence collected at the scene was being reconstructed at the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, said Richard DesLauriers, the Federal Bureau of Investigation's special agent in charge in Boston.

Among the items recovered were pieces of black nylon that could be from a backpack, fragments of ball bearings and nails, and possibly the remains of a pressure cooker device, DesLauriers said.

Bomb scene pictures produced by the Boston Joint Terrorism Task Force and released on Tuesday show the remains of an explosive device including twisted pieces of a metal container, wires, a battery and what appears to be a small circuit board.

One picture shows a few inches of charred wire attached to a small box, and another depicts a half-inch (1.3 cm) nail and a zipper head stained with blood. Another shows a Tenergy-brand battery attached to black and red wires through a broken plastic cap. Several photos show a twisted metal lid with bolts.

A U.S. government official, who declined to be identified, made the pictures available to Reuters.

In addition, Boston's WHDH television showed a picture of an unattended, light-colored bag on the ground right at one of the bomb sites before the explosion. The bag was gone in a picture from a similar angle taken after the blasts. Authorities had yet to comment publicly on the significance of the pictures.

The youngest to die was an 8-year-old boy, Martin Richard, from the city's Dorchester neighborhood.

Officials identified a second person killed as Krystle Campbell, 29, of Medford, Massachusetts.

The third fatal victim was a Chinese citizen whose identity was not being made public at the request of the victim's family, the Chinese Consulate in New York said in a statement. The victim was a graduate student at Boston University, the university said in a statement.


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