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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:59 am 
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It's clear that the NBA's owners don't have a lot of respect for their fans.

The league announced late Monday that it has canceled the first two weeks of the 2011-12 regular season after the latest meeting with its players failed to generate a new collective bargaining agreement. That means the NBA will be dark through at least Nov. 14 with 100 games scrapped from the schedule.

"Despite extensive efforts, we have not been able to reach a new agreement with the players' union that allows all 30 teams to be able to compete for a championship while fairly compensating our players," NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver said.

It's the first time the NBA has canceled games since the 1998-99 season, when the schedule was reduced to 50 games because of a work stoppage. Despite that commissioner David Stern had the audacity to use the word "proud."

"I'm proud of my owners," Stern said. "They really demonstrated to me, to the fans, to all the people that work in the buildings that they tried to make a deal. "We tried very hard. We made concession after concession."

Really?

Did they really try to make a deal?

From the outset of this, NBPA chief Billy Hunter has been preparing his constituents for the worst, feeling Stern and the owners are intent on shutting down the sport for a year.

"They are trying to do the same thing here that they did in the case of the NHL and they're following the same blueprint," Hunter told Jonathan Abrams of Grantland.com back in July. "I know it, and I preached it time and again to our players from the inception.

"I've said the same thing: They're not negotiating in good faith; they have no desire or intentions of getting a deal because if they think they can threaten us or lock us out for a year or whatever, that the players will cave and they'll get everything they want."

The NHL, of course, shut down its sport for an entire year in 2004-05, intent on breaking its players and remaking a "broken system."
Since the NBA had used similar rhetoric and the NHL's Gary Bettman learned at the feet of Stern, on the surface Hunter's viewpoint made a lot of sense. Optimists, however, spun things a bit differently pointing out that the NHL was fighting over a pittance back then, at least comparatively speaking.

The amount of revenue the NBA generates is staggering compared to the '04-05 NHL with Basketball Related Income (BRI) projected to reach over $4 billion this season.

The milk has already been spilt and the blame game at this point accomplishes little, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take a long, hard look at the scorecard. The NBA's owners have essentially shut down a multi-billion dollar business during the worst economy since The Great Depression, even though their employees have offered substantial concessions.

While there is plenty of blame to go around, maybe some of these guys deserve to lose money.

Stern and his owners seem content on moving the goal posts when the players acquiesce on one issue. Last week the problem was BRI, now it's the structure of the system.

"What separated us over the last two days were not the economic underpinnings of the deal, but the system issues," Silver said.

"Where our paths separate is that they believe to the extent they're willing to make economic concessions that we should be willing to leave the current system largely intact. Our view is the current system is broken in that 30 teams are not in a position to compete for championships. While we understand their position, we understand change is difficult, it makes no sense for us to operate under the current model."

Silver never explained how the 'large market' Spurs won those four championships but I digress.

"To be here at this point is disappointing in some ways," union president Derek Fisher of the Lakers said. "This is what we anticipated would probably happen, and here we are."

Indeed.

Unfortunately the players simply don't have the public relations acumen to point out just how disingenuous the owners have been and the contempt they have shown for the people that really matter -- the game's fans.

A few star players did give it a shot on Twitter, however, after the news broke on Monday.

"I wanna sincerely say sorry to all the fans! It's a sad day for all of us, especially u guys! There's no US w/o You," Heat superstar LeBron James Tweeted.

"Thanks for the overwhelming support today guys. You know we want to play & you understand the propaganda/misinformation from the owners," Suns guard Steve Nash said.

A lot of people say you can't put a price on principal. In this case, it's all too easy. By refusing to do the job for the owners, the players are essentially giving up $200 million every two weeks and the owners have been steadfast, saying any deal offered will only get worse from here.

Since they have shown little respect for their players and fans, it's hard to imagine them moving off that position.
That leaves a stark reality for players with little real leverage -- fold now or fold later with less money.

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James...What's the general feeling over there regarding the NBA? Any serious chance of a whole season going unplayed?

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James...What's the general feeling over there regarding the NBA? Any serious chance of a whole season going unplayed?

Yeah I think there is a definite chance of no NBA season. The two sides remain miles apart by all accounts. I would guess January at the earliest.

They owners want a 50/50 spilt of BRI and a hard salary cap. The players last deal was much better than that.

The big problem is the owners are all morons and can't help themselves from giving ridiculous contracts to players that aren't that good and they just cant seem to help themselves. There are also 30 teams now, but the league would probably operate a lot better with 26. The owners have cost themselves something like $87 million in revenue just by cancelling the first two weeks, so I know they talk with a lot of bravado, but I'm not sure how long they can tak those kind of loses too.

The people that really get hurt in these situations arent the superstars, it's the 12th guy on the team that's playing for minimum salary. And especially the people that work in the team offices, sell hot dogs and beer at the games, they won't be going back to work either.

I'm not a huge NBA fan and haven't been since Jordan retired the second time. I think you'll see some guys go over to Europe to play.

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If the season goes unplayed, hopefully Magic will be awarded the title by default.

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Commissioner David Stern said today if a deal isn't reached by Tuesday more games will be cancelled

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Reports are the NBA will announce at least two more weeks of the season are cancelled tomorrow. Talks broke down last week and no more talks between te two sides have been schedule.

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They've officially cancelled the first month of the season

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The players are now talking to anti-trust lawyers/judges and thinking about de-certifying their union, if no progress gets made in the next meeting this is gonna drag on for a long long time

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The players rejected the latest offer and have started the process of decertifying their union.

They've also cancelled all games up till Dec. 15th they've now cancelled 324 total games that's about 26% of the season.

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Are the players currently getting paid? Because surely not getting paid for such a length of time could affect the lesser known players and youngsters making their way through.

College basketball must be loving the publicity it's getting because of this?

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Well the networks are definitely pumping up the NCAA now. The last time this happened it was half a season with spurs beating the knicks in the final no? I haven't watched b-ball seriously in years (Since the early 00s really) but this is a shame.

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Are the players currently getting paid? Because surely not getting paid for such a length of time could affect the lesser known players and youngsters making their way through.

College basketball must be loving the publicity it's getting because of this?


I don't believe they get paid.

The union is a little split over the strike as like you say it doesn't really effect the high earners but the guys who make up the squads while earning a very tidy living will have mortgages, car payments and other bills to pay. I don't think they get paid while they're on strike as they are currently withdrawing their services from the club so I doubt they get paid. The players union probably steps in and makes sure players don't get evicted.

The problem is the lower paid players will get a small pay rise out of any new deal but what the new deal would effectively do is allow you big name players to secure even bigger contracts as the poster boy for that team.

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Some players who have recently signed new contracts, deferred money in those contracts, because thus lockout was definitely going to happen, and they are still getting checks, but the majority of players are not getting paid. However everyone in the nba knew this lockout was coming for years, so you'd be pretty foolish not to have put some money away.

It'll be interesting to see if college basketball can fill the void. A lot of people that are huge nba fans don't watch college basketball at all. ESPN has no idea what to do however and usually spends a bit of time during sportscenter showing clips from last years match up of a game that isn't happening cause of the lockout, it's very silly

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They've got a "handshake" agreement in place, now it needs approval for both sides.

They've start the regular season Dec. 25th, and play a 66 game season

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Been a great season...and the finals have been excellent so far!

I'm knackered today though. :lol:

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Been a great season...and the finals have been excellent so far!

I'm knackered today though. :lol:

You starting for the heat or thunder? :wink:

OKC do look quite dangerous, young team too. But will they be able to keep the heats big guns on ice long enough? I dunno, would like them to, though.

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Been a great season...and the finals have been excellent so far!

I'm knackered today though. :lol:

You starting for the heat or thunder? :wink:

OKC do look quite dangerous, young team too. But will they be able to keep the heats big guns on ice long enough? I dunno, would like them to, though.

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I only started watching the NBA last season...and I chose the Heat because they are just awesome to watch (I just couldn't pick someone like New Orleans)

No doubt OKC will win a Championship, but I have a feeling that the Heat will do it this year. LeBron has been amazing, and Wade was much better last night, 2 more games needed with the next 2 in Miami...it's Miami's to lose.

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The Miami Heat won the NBA Finals last night! :D

I went to bed at 5.30am...worth it though

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A group that includes Oprah Winfrey, Oracle CEO Larry Ellison and billionaire media executive David Geffen bid more than $1.5bn for the Los Angeles Clippers professional basketball team, according to a person familiar with the bid.

The bid from the group, which had expanded to include Guggenheim Partners CEO Mark Walter and President Todd Boehly in the days leading up to the bid, was one of several expected for the franchise.

The Clippers came up for sale after owner Donald Sterling came under fire for racist remarks. Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has put in a $1.8bn bid for the Los Angeles Clippers, the second-highest price ever paid for a US sports team, Forbes cited a person familiar with Ballmer's interest in the club as saying.

Forbes did not make clear if the multi-billionaire, who stepped down as CEO but remains on the board and still owns about 4% of the software giant, is bidding on his own or as part of a larger group.

The person familiar with the bid, who had no direct knowledge of Ballmer's intentions, told Reuters the billionaire had not submitted a bid. Ballmer declined to comment through his representatives.

Sterling, controlling owner of the Clippers for 33 years, was banned from the National Basketball Association after an audio recording surfaced of him criticizing a female friend for publicly associating with black people

His comments sparked widespread outrage from fans and NBA players and led several commercial sponsors to sever ties with the team.



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