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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:14 am 
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If you don't want it always on pull out the power supply or turn it off at the mains. I'm sure this will probably mean you have to setup the console every time you turn it on.

If you do want it always on and you're worried about people being able to spy on you through the camera on the Kinect make a point of getting your kn*b out and twirling it around it front of the camera on a daily basis and everytime you need to fart go make sure you're within range of the microphone.

If you really like a conspriracy theory assume that it starts listening in when certain trigger words activate it start saying "praise Allah" or "Bombs away" everytime you're about to drop a fart so that someone at the secret bunker located 10 stories below ground at Area 51 has to listen to you dropping your guts everyday.


While that's a good plan :D there's a little more to it. I personally run this add on for Firefox for much the same reasons, called TrackMeNot. It performs random searches to various search engines all the time with the idea you can't stop them recording it all but you can fill your profile with so much sh1t then it's totally useless to anyone.

If you leave it unplugged you're paying for hardware, software and their features that you'll never use... and buying stuff you won't use is not really a good financial return imho.

And they're not just scanning for keywords, they are permanently recording and storing it all. Waving your knob all over would hilarious until they stopped you at customs and sent you home/arrested you when you arrive for your US holiday/work... or that extradition request arrives! :jail: :ninja:

It's a conspiracy but it's certainly not a theory it's all been in the news this week... this is just what the secret service are doing with our data and Microsoft just happened to be the first volunteer to hand over all their data to the NSA. These are their own slides that got leaked all over the interwebs.

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IMO, any which way you look at it it's all waaaay over the top when all you want do is race cars, shoot aliens, rescue the princess etc. They're taking the p1ss if you ask me.


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I think Xbox will also grab people who want an all in one machine. It includes a bluray player this time and for Comcast customers(which is the largest cable company in America) you can use it as your cable box. Also there are some streaming things on xbl that aren't on psn most notably hbo go


Possibly in America only. As I understand it, all that TV integration will only really work in the US? If so, it's a bit of a rip off for people elsewhere, as they're paying for stuff they can't fully use. If I was looking to buy a console I'd feel ripped off paying for the extra integration as I don't even have a TV.

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They've got it in the bag already I think.

Cheaper, no weird internet check in thing, no weird drm, region free, doesn't watch/listen to you whilst it's turned off, can use second hand games with no extra charge assuming the publishers don't try and enforce it or something so you can trade in at shops/sell online/lend to mates.

Plus i'd assume since they're now saying you have to join PS+ for around £5 p/m if you want to play online... the online stuff should increase in quality, perhaps server quality will improve etc..

This appears to be a console for all gamers. Casual ones, cos it's cheap and feature packed, hardcore ones..cos it's a playstation with great titles and exclusives..and the inbetween people because of all of the above. Also it will actually WORK in the countries that Microsoft has so bizarrely decided the Xbox One won't.

The only people I can see buying the Xbox One are the strange guys who are loyal to a brand that cares not a jot for them..or maybe they just really, really, really, really like Halo games....and then obviously people who don't really care what they're buying, or just don't read up on it..or they do but don't understand it.


Could be, but I wouldn't go that far just yet. I'd have to agree that Sony have definitely got the upper hand with their initial public announcements so far though. :thumbup:

There's just a long way to go.

With the PS4, publishers have been given total control over DRM etc. so there's nothing to stop them imposing some of the same restrictions as Microsoft. Sony just did the smart thing and left them to get any grief from customers. :rolleyes: If the mood of the public is taken into account publishers might decide to be sensible and not impose silly restrictions... but I won't be holding my breath for companies like EA, Ubisoft and Co. MS are trying to build a disc-less Steam-type situation for consoles, but being MS they've typically f**ked it up.

With Sony you can play your old games via Gaikai, the streaming company they assimilated for $380m - something that benefits gamers. Microsoft could learn some important lessons here as they have no backwards compatibility at all so 360 owners have no incentive to upgrade to the X-Bone, unlike PlayStation owners do.

As for the TV fans, there's a lot of people buy consoles mainly for Netflix etc. Sony don't make you subscribe for the monthly for this functionality, while of course, MS won't allowing this unless you pay monthly.

The only way I can see that MS might have got all this past the man in the street is to have the lowest selling price, but they even got that wrong despite the obvious lessons Sony's very expensive PS3 should've taught them. :doh:


What MS need to do is to quickly change a few things before launch, announce some u-turns as 'proof' of them "listening to customers" :rolleyes: and try to salvage this situation. The difficulty is that once a company grows to this massive size they move soo slowly. All the various department managers will have been slowly brought on board with the current plan, contracts with partners will have been already signed, advertisement campaigns designed and paid for, etc. and it'd be difficult and a very slow process to try to change anything before it's released, so they will probably just have to leave it as it is and cross their fingers that it doesn't bomb too badly.

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It's also a bit of a rip off that the prices I've seen are $499, £499, and €499. Last time I check all of those monetary systems weren't at a 1 for 1 rate, so someone will be getting it cheaper than others. I don't see myself buying it, I'm just stating what appeal I can see. And as far as the other features go I'm sure they'll find a cable company in every country to join up with them, it's probably just comast that they'll already signed.


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It's also a bit of a rip off that the prices I've seen are $499, £499, and €499...



On the Microsoft site it's £429.99, which is still $675.14 so nowhere near the deal others get. I've not seen any Euro pricing.

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I read in the paper yesterday that based on current exchange rates people in Britain pay £80 more for the Xbox One that the American's do.

The Xbox costs $499 which equivalent to £320 or 375e on the current exchange rates yet the price in England is £429 and in Ireland 499e


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Rip off Britain, same as always. The usual excuse is it costs them extra to make it compatible with UK's PAL TV standard, different voltage regulator for the plug/power supply, and (believe it or not) region specific documentation because we obviously couldn't read it in err US English. :blink:

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Surely the Euro option should be the most expensive as all of the above apply but in much bigger variations especially when it comes to language.

The language thing is bullsh*t anyway when you setup the Xbox the first thing it does is ask what language you want to use and you have the choice and 100's.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Xbox for European market is manufactured in Europe to avoid import taxes as my Xbox was sent to Germany when I got the ring of death.

Obviously their are slight tweeks that need to be done for a smaller market but £100 a console seems like a ridiculous amount of money to pass on to consumers but if people pay it then I imagine they couldn't give a sh*t. Market forces and all that.


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Microsoft has sensationally abandoned its controversial plans to restrict the sharing of Xbox One games, and has also removed daily online authentication requirements for its forthcoming console.

In a statement released on the Xbox website on Wednesday, Don Mattrick, the president of Microsoft's interactive entertainment business, wrote that the company had listened to "candid feedback" from gamers. Before listing the changes, his explanation reads, "You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world."

When the new console is released this November, there will be no need to authenticate the system online every 24 hours – a requirement thought to have been introduced as a digital rights management measure. According to the statement, "After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again."

Furthermore, plans to restrict the sales of pre-owned titles, as well as the sharing of games among friends, have also been cancelled. There will now be no limits on gifting, re-selling, sharing or renting Xbox One game titles. In addition to these reversals, Microsoft is also removing regional locks on Xbox One games, which means titles bought in one global territory will work in all others.


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There we go. Predictable.

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I hope people still shun it. They'd be mad not to.

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There we go. Predictable.


I was just going to quote your last post and add:

You were saying... :lol:

They'd have pushed it through without the public backlash, make no mistake. Unless... :idea:

Knowing MS, they might have always intended a u-turn over this to distract attention from the intrusive Kinect and the ridiculous privacy issues around having that in your living room? And downloaded gamers are no better off with trade/reselling games, you'll still need the disc for that.

You'd be mad to trust MS after this. And there's nothing to stop them u-turning again in the future citing piracy issues or something, now that they've shown what they'd like to happen.

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As long as they don't have them on this I'm leaning back towards an Xbox. The other issues don't bother me at all. They can hear what I say? Don't really care, I'm not a terrorist, spy, criminal etc. The only media feature I'll use is the bluray player as I don't watch TV, so the non-compatability of those features doesn't affect me.

Saying that I probably won't be buying until the price drops. I'm in no hurry to get rid of my 360.

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As long as they don't have them on this I'm leaning back towards an Xbox. The other issues don't bother me at all. They can hear what I say? Don't really care, I'm not a terrorist, spy, criminal etc. The only media feature I'll use is the bluray player as I don't watch TV, so the non-compatability of those features doesn't affect me.

Saying that I probably won't be buying until the price drops. I'm in no hurry to get rid of my 360.


They'll be able to hear you talking dirty to your girlfriend, film your explicit actions, and sell it as amateur porn to make a quick buck :coffee:

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If anyone wants to watch/hear me do that then fair play to them.

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As long as they don't have them on this I'm leaning back towards an Xbox. The other issues don't bother me at all. They can hear what I say? Don't really care, I'm not a terrorist, spy, criminal etc. The only media feature I'll use is the bluray player as I don't watch TV, so the non-compatability of those features doesn't affect me.

Saying that I probably won't be buying until the price drops. I'm in no hurry to get rid of my 360.


The question you have to ask yourself is:

Do you trust Microsoft/Sony not to enable these restrictions after sale with a simple firmware update?

Also, on both platforms the individual publishers are free to enforce any of the DRM stuff that MS say they have abandoned, so unless the likes of Ubisoft and EA etc. play nice, games will probably still be DRM-d up to the eyeballs with whatever restrictions they can think up.

The announcement was a start, but there's still no guarantee it'll stay that way.

As to whether you're bothered about being spied on, that's up to you but the 'only criminals would object' argument is naive at best. As it is, the NSA for example collect and store all your data in Google (Gmail, YouTube etc.), Facebook, Microsoft (Skydrive, Live, Skype etc.), Yahoo!, PalTalk, AOL and Apple - that's pretty much your whole life for some people and it'll contain everything there is to know about you.

And now your console as well that listens in your living room?! Each to their own but it's not for me and I'm no criminal either, I just don't want or need everything about me recording by people I have no idea what they want it for. I do know for a fact it's pointless from a security point of view because it's easily avoided if you're a real terrorist/criminal/mad man. They might 'catch' the odd cheesed off student mouthing off maybe, or charge you and intend to send you to prison for things you said but didn't necessarily mean EG look what happened to Paul Chambers, that guy who tweeted about threatening to blow up an airport when snowy weather looked like it might close the airport and spoil his holiday. He was then found guilty of sending a "menacing electronic communication" just because of what he tweeted in jest. In that case he was very lucky as the High Court in London decided to quash his conviction but you wouldn't want to risk it on a regular basis! And you won't catch real criminals using any of the spied on services so the only people's data they're actually collecting is ordinary law abiding folks like you and I.

As for nothing to worry about, we've seen it's already being abused, as proved by the above mentioned Twitter poster. And we don't know how that data will be used in the future and by whom so given their track record I'd just rather I wasn't involved in it.

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OK, but should I be worried? I’m no terrorist and not even criminal. I have nothing to hide. Will this really affect me?

Yes and no.

The immediate impact on your life is probably zero. These intelligence systems sift through and store huge amounts of data and it is impossible to read every single message. They use automatic filters that trigger on certain secret keywords, and flag these messages for closer examination. A message to or from you may trigger a filter once in a while, but its harmless nature will be apparent in the manual examination. There are of course a lot of private secrets that shouldn’t leak to others, but they are of no interest to authorities. The risk that such secrets leak through PRISM is close to zero. Most ordinary people fly under the radar of these systems and will not really notice them at all. What’s more scary is the stored data. We have no clue about how it will be used in the future and who will have access to it. To cite Snowden: “Even if you are not doing anything wrong, you are being watched and recorded. … You don’t have to have done anything wrong. You just have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody. Even by a wrong call. And then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you ever made. Every friend you ever discussed something with and attack you on that basis to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life and paint anyone in the context of a wrongdoer.”

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Xbox 180: Microsoft scraps mandatory Kinect policy

All-seeing, all-hearing Redmond stooge no longer on ALL the time


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In the wake of the NSA spying revelations, Microsoft has said gamers will no longer need to have an all-seeing, always-online eye and ear attached to their Xbox.

Another day brings another reversal in Microsoft's summer of U-turns, and this time its the backtracking of Kinect being attached all the time.

Microsoft's Xbox Live veep Marc Whitten told IGN on Monday that the upcoming Xbox One console will not need Kinect to be plugged in all the time.

Given the recent news that the NSA has been studiously compiling records on the email and social habits of the world's population, and Microsoft's alleged participation in the agency's PRISM data-slurping program, people had been worried about sticking an always-on informer into their living room.

But Microsoft put those fears to rest on Monday, when Whitten said: "The console will still function if Kinect isn't plugged in, although you won't be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor".

This contrasts with the role of the eye of Sauron Kinect in the XBox One's original announcement, which had said the Kinect would always need to be plugged in and the console would always need to be online.

However, after players became outraged, Microsoft reversed its always-online policy, and has now done the same for the Kinect, making the Xbox One look more like an Xbox 180.

"You have the ability to completely turn the sensor off in your settings," Whitten says. "When in this mode, the sensor is not collecting any information. Any functionality that relies on voice, video, gesture or more won't work."

Microsoft is keen to make the Kinect a central part of the Redmond gaming experience, having built motion control into the Xbox UI and many of its games. But some people find the concept of a camera capable of sensing your heartbeat somewhat creepy, and – at least for now – there'll be able to stay away from the Gorgon stare of Microsoft's living room d(a)emon.

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Can't help thinking this is like one of Microsoft's usual strategies to con their customers, EG let rumours circulate second hand games will cost 90% of new price and wait for the cheers when you announce it'll 'only' be 75% (or some lower figure), just so it looks like good news! :lol:

Pretty much exactly what they did with the always online requirement... they let gamers get angry then announced they can play offline for one player games, a masterclass on how to turn restrictions/bad news into good news in the minds of the consumer.

From May 26th - this is textbook Microsoft :lol:

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Anyone ever think that Con is actually Bill Gates? He seems to know all of Microsoft's plans before they announce them... :det:

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Anyone ever think that Con is actually Bill Gates? He seems to know all of Microsoft's plans before they announce them... :det:


Haha you don't need to be Sherlock when it comes to predicting Microsoft's bad strategies. :lol:

What can I say. Their previously reliable old tricks aren't working like they once did partly because people are wise to them and also there's plenty of choice if people want to give MS and their high prices and constant forced upgrades a miss altogether. They just don't seem to have any Plan B when things go badly wrong, it's just the same desperate stunts rinse and repeat. The Financial Times are comparing their recent turn-around with Windows 8 to the New Coke fiasco lol.

Making good products that people actually want at a reasonable price doesn't seem to have occurred to them. EG Windows 8, their Surface and RT fondleslabs, Windows Phone 8, XBone etc. Sticking their head in the sand and acting like they are still the only game in town is pure fantasy. You'd never believe a company would let a struggling boss go on for so long but the board won't touch Ballmer because he has Gates' blessing apparently and that's all it takes to convince them to stick with him. Ballmer is top of many experts 'worst CEO' lists and would have have been fired years ago anywhere else and rightly so.

In the meantime they're as confusing as they are amusing to watch. :popcorn:

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