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 Post subject: 48 team World Cups?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:16 pm 
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So Fifa are under pressure from their members to increase the number of teams at the World Cup in the future

The proposal being discussed is as follows and could be in place as early as 2026

16 teams will qualify automatically for the group stage
32 teams will qualify for a one off knockout match with the 16 winners then joining the group

So there would basically be a pre qualifier round to the group

On paper I think the idea has legs BUT for FA's there's a potentially huge cost to training camps and travel for what might be 1 game

Also, for fans who want to go and support them team do you want to travel long distances to support your team in foreign country when you might be going home after 1 game?

Easier solution make it a 64 team tournament and it's straight knockout football ditch the group stage you f*ck up you go home. Will never happen as that would mean less games which means less revenue for FIFA

A compromise might be the pre qualification round happens at the end of the season over 2 legs like the play offs. You play home and away winners go to the World Cup losers go home.


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More teams , more groups so more play cities needed .
Means small countries have no chance to organise it .

Fifa never had any thought for fans .

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More teams , more groups so more play cities needed .
Means small countries have no chance to organise it .

Fifa never had any thought for fans .


That's not the proposal FE the proposal is basically add a few days on at the pre to play 16 group qualifying matches so you shouldn't need more venues as you can just use the existing ones.

I agree the World Cup even with 32 teams I think requires a minimum of 10 host cities which makes it almost impossible for most to host.


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Future World Cup finals will feature 16 groups of three countries in a 48-team tournament, if Fifa president Gianni Infantino gets his wish.

Infantino, who became head of Fifa in February, previously spoke of expanding the World Cup from 32 teams to 40.

Under his favoured 16-group structure the top two teams would progress to the last 32 and ongoing knockout matches.

A decision will be made in January but any change would not be likely to take effect before the 2026 World Cup.

Fifa's council will discuss the proposal at a meeting on 9 January but Infantino, 46, made expansion part of his election manifesto because he wants to allow more countries the chance to compete at football's flagship event.

If world football's governing body does not adopt the 16-group format, other options that will be considered include:
■Another version of the 48-team event which would see a 32 team one-game knockout round with the winners joining 16 teams who have qualified by right
■Keeping the tournament at its present size of 32 teams
■Expanding it to 40 teams (10 groups of four or eight groups of five).

The number of teams competing at a World Cup last increased in 1998 when the tournament expanded from 24 to 32 countries.

Uefa's Euro 2016 tournament featured 24 nations, an increase from the 16-team format in place since 1996.


Clearly the reason he wants to expand it is to win favour with the smaller nations and gave his position of power for a long time.

The main thing the world cup needs is a shake up of the groups as they can be a bit dull but with 3 teams you can't really play for draws you need to try and win both games to come top you can't really play for draws in the group


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FIFA president Gianni Infantino’s plans to expand the World Cup have run into serious opposition from the organisation which represents Europe’s biggest clubs.

Infantino is determined to see more nations playing in FIFA’s main money-spinner and has proposed two different formats for both a 40-team and a 48-team tournament from 2026 onwards.

Those options, as well as leaving the competition at its current 32 teams, will be voted on at the next FIFA Council meeting on January 9-10 but Infantino has made it clear that his choice is a 48-team format, with a group stage of 16 three-team groups and then a 32-team knock-out.

But the European Club Association, whose 220 member clubs employ a large number of the players at any World Cup, is against moves to expand the tournament.

In a statement, ECA chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said: “We have to focus on the sport again. Politics and commerce should not be the exclusive priority in football.

“In the interest of the fans and the players, we urge FIFA not to increase the number of World Cup participants.”

The statement added that the ECA executive board – whose members include the chief executives of Arsenal, Celtic and Manchester United: Ivan Gazidis, Peter Lawwell and Ed Woodward – has written to Infantino to protest against the idea, citing the “unacceptable” number of games played already by the top players.

FIFA has not responded to the ECA letter yet but may wish to point out that Infantino’s preferred format does not increase the number of games the top international sides will play and may even reduce it by one game if those teams fail to advance from the group stage. Semi-finalists will still only play a maximum of seven games, including the final and third/fourth play-off.

Infantino has also said his idea is motivated by the desire to grow the game as he sees involvement in the World Cup as football’s best marketing tool.

On the other hand, the ECA, which replaced the G-14 group of Europe’s richest clubs in 2008, could highlight the fact that 16 extra teams means 368 more players involved. There are also concerns about how FIFA will squeeze 80 games into the current 32-day schedule – Europe’s big clubs will be worried about the impact on their pre-season plans.

It could simply be viewed as the opening gambit in a renegotiation of the revenue-sharing deal the clubs have struck with FIFA for releasing players so they can play in international summer tournaments.

Last year, the ECA and FIFA signed a memorandum of understanding for compensation worth 200 million US dollars (£160million) which covers the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. This was five times the amount European clubs shared in 2010 and three times the amount they got in 2014, largely because of the extra disruption caused by Qatar staging the 2022 World Cup in the winter.


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FIFA's council members have unanimously approved Gianni Infantino's plan for a 48-team World Cup.

The council members chose Infantino's plan above four other options, one of which was to leave the tournament in its current 32-team format.

The new structure, featuring 16 groups of three followed by a 32-team knockout, is scheduled to be implemented in time for the 2026 finals.

Infantino put World Cup expansion at the top of his agenda when he was installed as president Sepp Blatter's replacement last year, and a number of proposals were put forward.

Two involved 48-team finals, another two suggested expansion to 40 teams and the final option was to stick with 32 teams.

Critics of Infantino's preferred plan, which will see the number of matches rise from 64 to 80, included several high-profile clubs and the German Football Federation, which does not currently have a representative on the FIFA council.

But supporters including Jose Mourinho have pointed out the maximum number of games any team can play will remain the same at seven, while Infantino insists the format can fit into the current 32-day timeframe.


Saw a stat on twitter last time the world cup was expanded was in 1998 when we went to 32 teams at that point there were 170 nations trying to qualify we now have something like 210 so an expansion was on the cards.

If they can fit it into the current 32 day time frame I don't really see the problem it should also help the club sides as the number of international qualifiers could be reduced.

My only real issue with it is more games means more stadiums which will make it harder for a lot of countries to actually host it.

My guess is after Qatar we're going to America in 2026 then probably Europe (hopefully England if we can put a bid together on paper our only obvious rival is Spain) in 2030 then China in 2034

If the FA do decide to bid again I hope they do use venues like Cardiff, Glasgow/Edinburgh & Dublin to host some games give it more of a GB & Ireland feel.


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