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 Post subject: Re: Trapper Tony's All Irish
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:20 pm 
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Depends what he's been doing behind the scenes.

You'd hope that both him and capello have been drilling it home to the respective FA's that the way we train our young players isn't good enough. The only problem might be is that in Italy they're facing a similar problem as the golden generation is getting old the players coming through to replace them haven't been getting enough games.

England & Ireland to me have the same sort of problem we don't have players capable of keeping possession in midfield and attack. We have an out dated way of playing football that is easy for opposition to defend against. The issue is less obvious in England as we have a bit more depth and due to seedings have easier groups so qualification is almost a given. If you swapped us around I reckon Ireland could have won our group and we'd of finished 2nd behind Russia in yours.

I can't say I watch much of Ireland the bits I have seen are pretty uninspiring but Trap is an old school Italian manager you make sure you don't lose before you go for the win.


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Republic of Ireland manager Giovanni Trapattoni has not given up hope of having defender John O'Shea available for the second leg of the Euro 2012 play-off against Estonia.

The Sunderland full-back has been ruled out of the first game in Tallinn on Friday night, but Trapattoni is hoping he could be fit for the return in Dublin on Tuesday week.

Trapattoni said: "We will wait for John O'Shea. He is not fit for this [the first] game, but he will come with us on Saturday."

However, having already had to rule out Shane Long and Liam Lawrence, the Italian was awaiting news of Newcastle striker Leon Best.

The 25-year old was on Monday due to have a scan on the groin injury he suffered on Saturday before a decision was taken over whether he was to join up.

Skipper Robbie Keane and winger Aiden McGeady are both heading for the Republic's Malahide headquarters fit and well after playing for Los Angeles Galaxy and Spartak Moscow respectively at the weekend.

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Unbelievably, there are still Irish fans criticising Giovanni Trapattoni with Ireland on the verge of Euro 2012 qualification. Peadar Clancy is in ranting mode...

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Here is a man who has managed AC Milan, Juventus (twice), Inter, Bayern (twice), Fiorentina and Italy. In nearly 1200 games he has lost approximately 230. He has won 23 major titles spread over the continent of Europe. Only Alex Ferguson and Jock Stein have won more trophies. He also had an enormously successful playing career. He has been involved in football for over 50 years at the highest level.

Think about that, those from whom I have heard the error of Trap's ways so vehemently criticised. Twenty years before you were born he was winning major trophies. Again, just really, really, think about that. But your knowledge extends beyond such trivial representations of facts. Sure, statistics can prove anything, right? You have an innate understanding, cultivated through years of five a-side kickarounds down the park, pub teams, astro-turf tournaments and involvement in grassroots football on a hungover Saturday morning, trying not to be kicked up in the air by some mouth-breathing culchie taking a break from the GAA. Let's not forget your commitment to Champ Manager, Pro-Ev, AGR, tabloid sports sections and Match of the Day. Quite the CV.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but some opinions are weightier than others, no? I mean, you don't have people taking oaths in court and swearing expert medical testimony because they have the box set of ER and have been to hospital on a number of occasions, both as an observer and active participant in the ins and outs of the healthcare system, do you?

"No, your honour, I have never once practised medicine, per se, but I like to think of myself as a 'student of the profession'."

"Proceed."

No, I'll take my chances with the guy who's been working in the profession for five decades, but thanks anyway sonny. Good hustle.

"Sure, he doesn't know what he's doing, that fella, he's ancient, he's lost it." What's that? Two games away from qualifying for a tournament we have been shy of since 1988, out of a group with Slovakia and Russia which we all believed was an extremely difficult draw from the outset?

"But he can't even speak English." His translator must be one hell of a coach.

"I'm depressed by it all, they can't play football, they don't pass the ball." This is true. Why don't we adopt the Spanish model, move from hoofy-haffa to tika-taka? Even the English get the ball down from time to time. Italy, France, Holland, Germany...come on Trap! Now, after this little bleat, scratch the surface and have a look at the club teams of those squads. Milan, Barca, Madrid, United, Bayern, Ajax, PSV, Juve, Inter, Arsenal, PSG, Liverpool...noticing a pattern here? From clubs and national leagues, these players are trained, from an early age, to play in this particular way. What this means is that a national coach can adopt that style of play and if one or two of his players drop out, he can replace them, more or less, like for like, without having to adapt or restructure his tactics.

Now, take a look at the clubs with the Irish players come from. Wolves, West Brom, Stoke, Leicester, Villa, Blackburn, Celtic for chrissakes. So a national team manager, in this instance Trap, is supposed to break players of decades of habitual football, and inculcate a rhythmic, stylish form of football during the dozen or so training sessions he takes in a year. You see, unlike Germany, we don't have the luxury of going around the Premier League and ordering clubs to train in a particular way as Klinsmann did a few years ago. We have to take what we can get in terms of footballers, and more often than not, they are not the silkiest of brothers.

"Why doesn't he play Coleman, McCarthy and Fahey? They can pass the ball!" This is true. They can, and I would love to see it, but that, in the end, would be a bonehead play. Three, possibly four, if you count McGeady (wait, maybe five or six, I am sure I left out one or two), can get the ball down and pass it. That's around 20 to 25% of the squad. How easy is it to get injured in football? To pick up suspensions? Now, following your theories, knowledge-hoarders of football lore, we have a style of football dictated by the abilities of 20% of the squad, with no-one to replace them if they get injured. No like-for-like here. No tournaments, no green army. But pretty football. Yay. The last manager we had who realised their limitations was Jack Charlton, coinciding with Ireland's greatest period of sustained success.

Eamon Dunphy slithered out the sentence that he would be ashamed to bring a child to watch that kind of football or something to that effect in the aftermath of our qualifying for the play-offs. What would a child take from watching that? Watching 11 men achieve results greater than what is expected of them. Fighting for each other, never giving up, chasing lost causes until the dying minutes, blood and sweat poured into fraternity and the honour of representing their nation. Doing their best with what God has given them and teaching that talent is not something that everyone has, but if you place your trust in others, and you have faith, patience and belief may overcome whatever natural imbalances life has pitted against you. Yeah, Eamon, I'd be ashamed to have those values instilled in my children too. Dead right.

Let us teach them of superficial beauty and the importance of looking good ahead of achieving your dreams through teamwork and the gritting of teeth. See how far that gets them. It's not the Irish way, is it Dunphy? Yes, how very inappropriate for a nation that overcame the might of the largest Empire the world had ever seen on frikkin bicycles. Was it beautiful football in 88 against England? Was it in Italia 90, when we progressed to the quarter-finals without winning a match? Did Ray Houghton score against the Italians in '94 on the back of a sweeping, two-touch move from back to front? Did he f*ck. WAKE UP!!! Support your team. Get behind them.

Those lads are on the brink of achieving something for me and for you that we have been dreaming about since Stuttgart - being there.

Two games more, and we will be. In Trap I trust.

Peadar Clancy

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I'd like to see Peadar attempt to write that article, hadn't we got lucky against Russia. :D

Looking forward to Friday. We got a great draw in the play off, hopefully the lads can see it through.

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:laugh: That is an awesome smiley (that word looks strange in my hungover/braindead state).

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Estonia need 6 in 55 mins :sos:

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Wouldn't 5 do it on away goals?

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Pot 4: So we won't be getting Portugal, France or Czech Republic


....RESULT :thumbup: :p

i'll take Poland, England & Sweden

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Congrats to the Irish. I did cheer when hearing Estonia had scored though. Had a fiver on the draw at 4/1 :lol:

I also had a £2 on the Estonia win thinking the may sneak it 1-0 with Ireland just keeping it safe and not playing to expansive to keep the goal cushion and it was at 10's

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....damn Russians :nur:

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i'll take Poland, England & Sweden


I'd take that group in a heartbeat.

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Giovanni Trapattoni claims he has agreed a deal in principle which will see him stay on as Republic of Ireland manager.

The Italian's current contract expires at the end of Ireland's Euro 2012 campaign and calls for him to be awarded fresh terms have grown since the Republic booked their place at the finals.

The Football Association of Ireland confirmed that they were planning to hold talks after qualification was secured through the play-offs.

Discussions have progressed positively since then and Trapattoni says an agreement has now been reached.

"I will be staying, it is agreed but it is not signed yet," he said.

With Ireland set to learn their group on Friday, Trapattoni admits there are a couple of nations he is looking to avoid.

He said: "I want to avoid Germany because they are one of the best teams in the world and England because of the emotions tied up with a game against them for Ireland."

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Republic of Ireland manager Giovanni Trapattoni has agreed a contract extension which will run until the 2014 World Cup.

The Football Association of Ireland have rewarded the Italian coach for his recent success in securing the Republic's place at next summer's Euro 2012 finals following victory over Estonia in their qualification play-off.

"I am very happy to continue my job with the FAI," said Trapattoni, whose assistant Marco Tardelli has also signed a new deal.

Trapattoni, who will travel to Kiev for Friday's Euro 2012 ahead of the tournament in Ukraine and Poland, said: "I have always said that Marco and I believe very strongly in the work that we are doing to grow and develop the Irish team.

"It is a huge honour and a privilege to represent the Irish team and we look forward to continuing this important task."

Trapattoni's deal will again be part-funded by business Denis O'Brien, who played a significant part in the FAI's original acquisition of the former European Cup winner.

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Good move I think.

He gets the absolute maximum out of some decent players it might not be pretty to watch but if it gets you to tournaments that's all that matters at the moment.


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Robbie Keane has insisted there is "no chance" of Giovanni Trapattoni's job as Republic of Ireland manager coming under threat.

Ireland's Euro 2012 adventure ended with another defeat on Monday night as Italy beat them 2-0 in Poznan to leave them with no points in three games.

Trapattoni has declared his intention to continue into next season's World Cup qualifying campaign but the team's performance in Poland and Ukraine has raised question marks as to whether, at 73, he is the right man to lead them forward.

Asked about the prospect of Trapattoni being forced out, captain Keane simply said: "No chance."

Los Angeles Galaxy striker Keane may have left little room for doubt about Trapattoni's future but the same could not be said about his own.

Indeed, none of Ireland's veterans were making snap decisions about their international careers after last night's game.

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I see James McCleans had a little rant on twitter because he didn't get on last night. Good thinking.

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I see James McCleans had a little rant on twitter because he didn't get on last night. Good thinking.


I understand his fustration but he must have rocks for brains to have said what he said.

Regarding the game yesterday, new qualifiers same old shiote from Trap. We've wide players like McClean and Coleman but trap goes for a Notts Forest CF in Cox, right midfield. When that is clearly not working, he decides to replace him with Jon Walters on the right. :wall:

He still continues with St Ledger at CB, partners him with Darren O' f*cking Dea. Surely we're better to put O'Shea at CB??

Same old lumping the ball forward, no creativity and few chances against one of the poorest sides in the group. We used our get out of jail card yesterday and I can't see us getting to Rio in a million years.

Only positives, is that Westwood did well in goals and McCarthy finally managed to get a game under Trap and did well.

Trap out!!

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