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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:57 pm 
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Several senior politicians in German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s ruling conservative party raised the possibility on Wednesday of stripping Russia of its right to host the 2018 World Cup after the downing of a passenger plane over Ukraine.

Western countries have blamed pro-Russian separatists battling Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine for the downing of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July in which 298 people were killed.

The European Union has threatened to impose harsher economic sanctions on Russia, though on Tuesday ministers delayed action for a few days.

Taking away Russia’s right to hold the soccer tournament may have significantly stronger impact than more economic sanctions, said Michael Fuchs, deputy head of the conservative bloc in the German parliament.

“Fifa should think about whether Moscow is an appropriate host if it can’t even guarantee safe airways,” Fuchs told Handelsblatt Online, adding that Germany and France could take over the tournament if needed.

Economic sanctions would be difficult to implement due to Russia’s long borders, which are too porous to effectively seal off imports, Fuchs said.

German trade associations have said new EU sanctions could hurt business between Russia and Germany, Europe’s biggest economy.

The interior minister of the state of Hesse agreed with Fuchs.

“If [Russian President Vladimir] Putin doesn’t actively cooperate on clearing up the plane crash, the soccer World Cup in Russia in 2018 is unimaginable,” Peter Beuth told Germany’s top-selling daily Bild.

Stephan Mayer, a member of Bavaria’s conservative Christian Social Union (CSU), also said withdrawing the World Cup from Russia “should not be taboo”.

Germany’s football association (DFB) was not immediately available to comment on Wednesday on the politicians’ opinions. Germany won this year’s World Cup tournament in Brazil.

The Malaysian plane had been flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down near Donetsk, a stronghold of pro-Russian rebels.

In the Netherlands, where many of the passengers came from, the Dutch football association said on Wednesday it was too early to review Russia’s hosting of the 2018 World Cup.

“The Dutch football association is aware that a future World Cup in Russia stirs great emotion among all football fans and relatives in the Netherlands,” it said in a statement.

“The association believes it is more appropriate to conduct a discussion over a future World Cup in Russia at a later moment, once the investigation into the disaster has been completed.”

England’s Football Association chairman also said on Tuesday it was premature to talk of moving the World Cup from Russia.


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 Post subject: Re: Russia 2018 Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:53 pm 
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Or in other words .
Let's wait a little till everybody forgets about it and then it's bussines as usual.

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 Post subject: Re: Russia 2018 Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:06 am 
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It's not really Germany's decision anyway it's FIFA the only way the World Cup would be taken away from any nation would be if the big European nations refused to play add to that America and a few others and suddenly FIFA might have to act especially if sponsors start getting twitchy as well.

The world could be a very different place in 4 years time and personally I'd be amazed if FIFA took this tournament away it's more likely that after the elections Blatter will look to get it taken off Qatar because he never wanted them to have it in the first place.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:12 am 
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Never going to happen.

Qatar basically bought their world cup and nothing happened about that. Even though all the european leagues are going to have to break their season and lose players mid season.


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 Post subject: Re: Russia 2018 Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:44 am 
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You forget 1 key thing about the Qatar World Cup which is that it wasn't Blatter's pick he didn't want it going to Qatar so once he gets re-elected he'll throw peopl under the bus and I think demand a re-vote personally I think he'll want to push it towards America.

Politically it makes him look strong as he's doing something about the corruption and also it solves a problem he has with Europe who don't want it there either.

The bidding process for 2018 is also being investigated for corruption by this independant investigator


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England should boycott the 2018 World Cup because someone needs to take a stand against corruption in Fifa and military aggression by Russia, Andy Burnham, the favourite to be the next Labour leader, has said.

Burnham spoke out amid growing pressure on the English Football Association to do more than condemn Fifa, following a string of bribery charges against senior officials and the refusal of its president, Sepp Blatter, to stand down.

Speaking on the BBC’s Pienaar’s Politics, he said: “I’ve long had my doubts about Russia holding the next World Cup ... Now with all of this, I believe there is a pretty overwhelming case for England taking a stand and saying we should not participate in the next World Cup given the current appalling state of Fifa.”

Referring to the English FA’s reservations about boycotting the contest on its own, he said: “Maybe they should just be a bit stronger.”

John Whittingdale, the culture, media and sport secretary, took a strong position against Fifa in the Sunday Times, writing that “no options should be ruled out” when it comes to European nations boycotting future World Cups if Fifa refuses to get rid of Blatter.

The Duke of Cambridge, who is president of the FA, also waded into the controversy by calling on Fifa to “show that it can represent the interests of fair play and put the sport first”.

However, Greg Dyke, the chairman of the FA, said it was “ridiculous” to suggest England could take unilateral action without the support of other footballing nations in European and Latin America. Dyke said he thought Blatter would not last another four years and the best way of cleaning up international football was putting pressure on sponsors and other countries to take collective action.

Speaking on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Dyke said: “Putting pressure on Sepp Blatter is pretty impossible. But putting pressure on other footballing nations and sponsors is a good idea, I think. The duke is ... obviously upset by what’s happened and feels quite strongly about it.”

He added: “But it would be ridiculous to try to do it on your own. All we’d do is pull out of the World Cup and everyone would say well done and forget all about it. It’s got to be done by enough nations to have an impact if it’s done. But I don’t think Blatter will last four years. Events of last week – the attorney general said this is the beginning, not the end.”

Dyke suggested the award of the World Cup to Qatar in 2022 could be revisited in light of scrutiny of the process.

Blatter was re-elected for a fifth term at Fifa on Friday despite a string of bribery charges against senior officials and the likelihood that he will be questioned as part of the inquiry. He accused the US and UK of trying to seek revenge against him before the meeting to re-elect him in Switzerland last week.

Blatter said over the weekend the timing of the raid by the Swiss police, who have been cooperating with a long-running FBI investigation, was designed to remove him from office.

“No one is going to tell me that it was a simple coincidence, this American attack two days before the elections of Fifa. It doesn’t smell right. This has touched me and Fifa,” he said. “There are signs that cannot be ignored. The Americans were the candidates for the World Cup of 2022 and they lost. The English were the candidates for 2018 and they lost, so it was really the English media and the American movement.”

The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, has also claimed that the arrests were an attempt to undermine Blatter and destabilise the 2018 World Cup.


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As allegations of widespread corruption continue to shake Fifa, Alexei Sorokin, the head of the organising committee for the 2018 World Cup in Russia, has lashed out at the investigations into football’s governing body and calls to strip Russia of the event.

Speaking at the World Football Forum in Moscow on Thursday, Sorokin said Russia had presented a transparent bid and suggested that the corruption investigations and arguments against its World Cup were politically motivated. Asked about a report by the Spanish sports publication AS that Fifa had suggested Qatar take on the 2018 World Cup, Sorokin said it was “ridiculous”, adding that Russia was “very deep in the preparation process”. The organising committee told the Guardian this week that 40% of planned World Cup construction was under way or had already been completed.

“We just need to ponder in whose interest it is to draw up the bridge between us and our partners in Fifa,” Sorokin said. “Strangely this comes when a sizable Fifa delegation is in Samara, where we’re trying to prepare the World Cup together.”

During a visit to inspect World Cup facilities under construction in Samara on Wednesday, the Fifa secretary general, Jérôme Valcke, admitted he had authorised a $10m transfer on behalf of the South African organising committee of the 2010 World Cup to a Caribbean Football Union account run by the then-Fifa vice-president Jack Warner. The payment is some of the most damning evidence of corruption to emerge so far but Valcke said the payment was not a bribe.

Although the FBI said last week it was extending its investigation to include the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, Sorokin said neither Swiss nor American investigators have contacted Russia.

“We do hear various urges and calls for a boycott, and it’s very disappointing,” he said. “As I have said, the direct victims of these urges are athletes preparing for four years and the fans looking forward to come to Russia and have a good experience, maybe the experience of a lifetime. Very seldom do we hear such urges from the football community. It’s done for politicians, and it’s very sad.”

Although he admitted “there was some criticism” about the 2018 and 2022 World Cup selection process, he said Fifa was able to deal with any problems on its own.

“It’s not necessary to put yourselves into some sort of hysteria or trance about all this. The organisation has the capability to self-regulate and possibly fix incorrect decisions made in the past. The participation of law enforcement organs isn’t necessary,” Sorokin said. “As far as the investigations go, that’s a different issue. Fifa handles billions of dollars. Naturally, there can be abuses in some places. Fifa isn’t an audit chamber or a prosecutor. It can’t keep track of every kopeck but Fifa does have a system to control expenditures.”

Sorokin’s comments came shortly before the resignation of the Fifa director of communications, Walter De Gregorio, a senior aide to the president, Sepp Blatter. The Fifa head had announced he would step down last week following the announcement of Swiss and US investigations into corruption at his organisation.

Sorokin said Russia was “puzzled” by the investigations into bribe-taking and the World Cup selection process, arguing that Russia had a “good, transparent bid” which was already verified by the Fifa-commissioned report on possible corruption during the selection of Russia and Qatar to host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

The Fifa ethics investigator Michael Garcia quit in protest last year after what he what he described as an “erroneous” summary of his report into the 2018 and 2022 World Cup bids. Although the report has not been published in full, the summary said rented computers used in Russia’s bidding process had been destroyed and related emails allegedly could not be retrieved.

“We were of the opinion that this process was closed. The conclusions were satisfactory for us, no evidence [of corruption] was found, we were exonerated,” Sorokin said. “If it starts again, if some countries see it as important to start it again, then it’s just taking up people’s time and effort.”

Asked whether Russia would file a case against Fifa in the court of arbitration for sport or take other action if its 2018 World Cup was cancelled, Sorokin said he did not “want to suppose what might happen”, adding there was no reason to disrupt the event.

“These efforts are unifying the Russian government and all the regional leaderships and the organising committee, and in our work we don’t even want to think about them taking the [World Cup] away from someone. There’s no basis for that,” he said.

Russia has been charging ahead with World Cup preparations despite the furore over Fifa corruption. According to Sorokin, the major reconstruction of ageing stadiums in the World Cup host cities of Kaliningrad and Yekaterinburg would begin within the next two months after an “insignificant delay” caused by the need to reduce their planned capacity.

Russia has been implementing budget cuts after the rouble lost half its value last year, including a reduction in World Cup spending, but the sports minister, Vitaly Mutko, promised it would not affect infrastructure and stadium construction. Sorokin said although some projects had been “optimised”, stadium budgets had not been cut and would be met.


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San Marino officials have demanded an apology from Germany forward Thomas Muller, who made comments about the team following an 8-0 win on Friday.

Muller said that playing a "team of amateurs" in the World Cup qualifier put German players at risk of injury, and Bayern Munich chief Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said "San Marino has nothing to do with professional football".

San Marino Olympic Committee spokesman Alan Gasperoni offered 10 reasons for the game to be played and told Muller that Germany "does not own the game".

And San Marino Secretary of State for Tourism and Sport, Teodoro Lonfernini, called for a formal apology.

"Germany are world champions, but they are not the master of the world," said Lonfernini. 

Joachim Low's side were 2-0 up inside nine minutes and ran out easy winners, with a hat-trick from former Arsenal forward Serge Gnabry on his debut, two from Jonas Hector, an own goal and strikes from Kevin Volland and Sami Khedira.

Muller - who has not scored for Bayern in the Bundesliga yet this season - said afterwards that while "it's a highlight for San Marino to play the world champions", the game should not have been played.

When San Marino meet Germany
6 September 2006: San Marino 0-13 Germany (Podolski 4, Schweinsteiger 2, Klose 2, Hitzlsperger 2, Ballack, Friedrich, Schneider.
2 June 2007: Germany 6-0 San Marino (Kuranyi, Jansen, Frings, Gomez 2, Fritz)
11 November 2016: San Marino 0-8 Germany (Khedira, Gnabry 3, Hector 2, Volland, OG)

"It served to show that even against lowly teams like ours you cannot score a goal and don't say you were not frustrated when [goalkeeper Aldo] Simoncini denied you," Gasperoni said in the letter posted on Facebook.

"It also served to show that football belongs to everyone who loves it and we are part of that, whether you like it or not."

San Marino are ranked 201st in the Fifa rankings, while Germany are second.

Germany, who travel to Italy on Tuesday for a friendly match, are top of Group C on 12 points after winning all four matches, with Northern Ireland second on seven points. San Marino are bottom and are yet to pick up a point


I do feel they need to change something and drop the smaller nations into a seperate qualification ground but give them a playoff chance to the winner.

The problem is all these nations who just get pump 4/5-0 everytime they play means they never learn how to attack as they're just constantly over powered by teams with better players.

However, Muller moaning about risking injury is just him being a bit of a t*t playing amateurs you should be so good they can't even get close enough to injure you


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 Post subject: Re: Russia 2018 Thread
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Have you seen the full San Marino FA'a response? Not sure they can demand an apology after the 8 point response they made.

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