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 Post subject: Re: Roy Hodgson Engwand manager
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1 (2) – Joe Hart
'Hart starts, whatever the weather,’ we concluded in the last edition of this ladder. That was true whatever Jack Butland did against Germany, but it’s consolidated further now. The only difference is that Hart moves up one to top spot. If you’re not fine with him as our No. 1, you’re either a maverick or a fool, and anyone who describes themselves as a maverick is a fool.

2 (5) – Chris Smalling
There might be a lot of pertinent concern about England’s central defence, but there is one thing on which both the John Stones and Gary Cahill camps can agree: They’re fighting for one place. Whatever Hodgson decides, it’s Smalling + 1 in France.

3 (1) – Wayne Rooney
Well bloody well. What do we have here? Firstly, any talk (however sporadic) that Rooney will not make the squad is as silly as pouring yoghurt onto your naked torso as a replacement for whipped cream. That said, Rooney’s first-team position is clearly not secured, and it feels like a bandwagon is beginning to roll. So no longer top spot. Also, he’s the only member of this top five whose absence from the squad entirely would not cause national panic.

4 (4) – Harry Kane
It turns out that he does exist after all, and he’s pretty good. The list of players to score 20 or more Premier League goals in consecutive seasons reads as follows: Alan Shearer, Andy Cole, Robbie Fowler, Les Ferdinand, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Thierry Henry, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Carlos Tevez, Robin van Persie, Luis Suarez and Harry Kane, and he’s started doing it for England too. Never mind being on the plane/ferry/Eurostar, Kane is starting the first game in France.

5 (18) – Dele Alli
The first of the three big Tottenham climbers, and probably the quickest rise in England Ladder history. Alli was a new entry at No. 33 in October, 18th by November and in the top five by March. If you think this lofty position is an overestimation of his current importance, imagine the outrage if Alli wasn’t selected. Burn the Hodge!

6 (3) – Raheem Sterling
A notable faller, due to both form and fitness. There is no doubt that Sterling goes to France, but much less certainty on his starting place. It’s not unreasonable to think that heading into a major tournament not being viewed as England’s One Great Hope might be a good thing for both player and team.

7 (6) – Gary Cahill
The debates over whether Cahill starts are mercifully irrelevant – and may be decided by the pre-tournament friendlies – because he’s a dead cert for the squad. That’s partly for his England form and partly for his experience. If you want to drop Rooney and Cahill from the starting line-up, you run the risk of Jordan Henderson being the most experienced outfield international. Which brings us terrifyingly to…

8 (9) – Jordan Henderson
Timed the standard English pre-tournament injury lay-off well enough to miss October and November fixtures rather than March, and did himself good in the process. Still, we’ll say what we always say: Has never actually played well for England.

9 (11) – Danny Welbeck
Before the Germany and Netherlands games, Welbeck accounted for 36% of the goals in the squad picked by Hodgson. That might make you yelp, but also proves that he goes if he stays fit. Need more convincing? Wayne Rooney is England’s top scorer under Hodgson with 23. Welbeck has 14. Next is Frank Lampard, with six.

10 (26) – Eric Dier
Another big mover, and another Tottenham player about whom the only question is whether they start against Russia in Marseille. Dier is far from the finished article in Hodgson’s defensive England, but there is no such thing as a perfect solution. This is the best fit.

11 (24) – Luke Shaw
There are reports that Shaw will be back in training next week, which is good news for Uncle Roy. In my book he still takes the 20-year-old as his first choice if he possibly can. The only two left-backs with more qualifying minutes than Shaw are Kieran Gibbs and Leighton Baines, and both seem to have been lost on the wind.

12 (12) – Ross Barkley
Still firmly in the squad but more likely to be used as an impact substitute. Barkley has had a fine season, but is a sufferer of Alli-itis. Take tablets twice Dele.

13 (14) – John Stones
Fluffed his lines against Netherlands to hamper his progression up the ladder. Those of us who see ball-playing as a pleasant addition to good defending rather than an alternative are still mighty worried. ‘England have to back John Stones,’ tweeted Daily Telegraph chief sports writer Paul Hayward. ‘Their job to help him cut out errors. He’s too good to be abandoned.’ Erm, there is a middle ground between starting and being ‘abandoned’: Just being in the squad.

14 (8) – Nathaniel Clyne
Finally our first right-back. We’ve never been truly convinced by England Clyne, and have serious doubts about him against the best opposition, but there’s no doubt that it is still his to lose.

15 (30) – Fraser Forster
Moved up a spot in the goalkeeping queue by not being injured. We’re not that scared about him actually having to play either, however unlikely that is.

16 (29) – Jamie Vardy
Winty might not like it (scratch that: Winty does not like it), but Vardy is in. The Leicester goals might have dried up, but no player made better use of England’s last two fixtures than Vardy. The goal against Netherlands when starting might have been his bread and butter, but the finish against Germany was the caviar placed on top. This is happening.

17 (23) – Adam Lallana
Sneaked in by a whisker last time, but Lallana has moved up a few rungs for two distinct reasons: 1) Roy keeps on picking him, and 2) Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has fallen away so much. Lallana might be more divisive than any other member of the squad, but he’s gone from possibility to probability in four Jurgen Klopp-themed months.

18 (28) – Phil Jagielka
Staying quiet in the corner while everyone argues over Cahill and Stones, like a child trying to avoid being noticed and sent to bed.

19 (16) – Daniel Sturridge
The fifth striker on this list, yet you’d struggle to find many who would doubt Sturridge’s seat on the plane if he can stay fit between now and May 12. The talent has never been in doubt, but nor too have the worries over those balsa wood legs.

20 (34) – Danny Rose
And so to our final big Tottenham climber. A strong performance against Germany saw Rose named as Man of the Match, but the way he struggled against Quincy Promes on Tuesday will have alarmed his international manager. We have Rose just ahead of Bertrand due to being the closest mimic of Shaw’s attacking instincts, but it’s a tight one.

21 (41) – Tom Heaton
England’s No. 3. England’s England’s No. 3. Out of nowhere, too.

22 (20) – James Milner
Less and less useful over time, but still taken with you just in case something goes wrong, like travellers cheques. Milner’s only gone and moved out of the kitchen utensils market.

23 (7) – Jack Wilshere
A big faller, but not quite gone. No we do not think that Wilshere should be taken after failing to play a single Premier League minute this season, but we can’t help but think that Hodgson still harbours hope and an uncomfortable bulge in his trousers. If Wilshere gets back fit and plays well before the announcement, he should brush up on his French. ‘Qu’est-ce que nous pensons à Tottenham?’

24 (NE) – Danny Drinkwater
The next cab on the rank should Wilshere miss out, and that’s a distinct possibility. Poor Mark Noble.

25 (21) – Ryan Bertrand
Has the most caps of the Shaw/Rose/Bertrand three-into-two quandary, but only goes if the former cannot prove his fitness. A weird European Championship final start to match his weird Champions League final start? Probably not, on at least two counts.

26 (32) – Kyle Walker
Walker was 24 places behind Clyne in November, but the gap is now down to 12. Win the Premier League title and he really could still make it, but not at the time of writing. You only take one specialist right-back when Dier and Stones can fill in.

27 (19) – Theo Walcott
If you tell everyone you want to be treated as a striker and then start one club game in five months as a striker (a 0-0 FA Cup draw with Hull), don’t be surprised if you don’t get the call for a major tournament. Walcott has scored four competitive international goals in the last seven-and-a-half years. Half of those were as a substitute against San Marino.

28 (25) – Fabian Delph
Fun fact: Only two of England’s starters against Netherlands played more qualifying minutes than Delph. He’s a Hodgson favourite, but just keeps getting injured at the wrong times. To be honest, he keeps getting injured at all the times.

29 (10) – Leighton Baines
The biggest faller in the list. ‘Baines is still Roy’s No. 1,’ I wrote in November. ‘I don’t personally agree with that, but that’s not really the point of the ladder.’ Finally he starts listening.

30 (13) – Phil Jones
Roy loves him like a fat kid love cake, as 50 cent would say, but Jones has gone from half-crocked to perma-broken. He’s started seven club games this season, and it feels like an illusion that he started the final qualifier against Lithuania in October.

31 (17) – Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Had completely forgotten Oxlade-Chamberlain’s existence until looking at the last ladder. Some things are better when they go unnoticed, but footballers aren’t one of them.

32 (22) – Ben Foster
“I spoke to Ben before we got together for this get together to explain to him why I was taking Tom,” said Hodgson last week. “We had a conversation because I know him quite well – we worked together at West Bromwich Albion. We lost Hart so we brought Tom in. We’ll wait and see going forward.” So that’s that.

33 (27) – Kieran Gibbs
‘Is there a more nothing-y player in the Premier League than Kieran Gibbs?’ a recent Mailboxer asked. Quite.

34 (31) – Michael Carrick
It’s all very well bemoaning Carrick’s lack of international recognition, but that doesn’t change the salient fact: He turns 35 in July. If Carrick played in the Euros, he’d be England’s seventh-oldest outfield player in the last 30 years. Stuart Pearce, Teddy Sheringham, Frank Lampard, Martin Keown, Peter Beardsley and Ian Wright are the answers to your next question.

35 (33) – Jonjo Shelvey
“I just want him to know that I’ll always be there for him, and tell him never to lose hope” – Matt Stead, March 30. Shelvey played a part in each of England’s last three games before Germany. It might be a while until his next cap.

36 (42) – Jesse Lingard
Don’t normally like saying this, but wouldn’t be near the squad were he not playing for Manchester United. Still, he’s in here.

37 (RE) – Andy Carroll
Included by the Daily Mirror in a list of ‘free-scoring English strikers chasing titles, Europe and then glory for the Three Lions’. Back in the 50, but that’s still a ludicrously optimistic statement.

38 (38) – Andros Townsend
Stays where he was, aka on his summer holidays rather than shooting high and wide from distance in France.

39 (39) – Ryan Mason
Sounds mean, but quite glad this is no longer a thing.

40 (37) – Wilfried Zaha
Looked a possibility when Palace were flying. Chunky saw to all that.

41 (40) – Marc Albrighton
42 (36) – Saido Berahino
43 (44) – Scott Dann
44 (48) – Aaron Cresswell
45 (NE) – Marcus Rashford
46 (NE) – Mark Noble
47 (45) – Ryan Shawcross
48 (NE) – Michail Antonio
49 (46) – Tom Cleverley
50 (50) – Phil Neville

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Seen stories about Terry returning for the Euro's not sure there's any point in that unless one of the 4 current CB's get injured as we don't really have many other options apart from Shawcross who I'd rather take as he doesn't bring the JT baggage with him.


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The interesting one on that list is Shaw.

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Shaw like Wilshere I think if he can prove his fitness is nailed on to go as I don't think he is head and shoulders above everyone else in his position I think the risk on him is lower than Wilshere as well because it's just been one injury whereas Wilshere has had non stop injuries for 3 or 4 years now and I think others have emerged in his role.

If all the LB's are fit I think he takes Shaw and Rose


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Oxlade-Chamberlain out of the Euro's with injury.

Given the poor form of Walcott could Andros Townsend work his way back in or even Mark Albrighton make a late claim as we don't really have to many wide options.

One man who is probably happy is Raheem Sterling this nails on his place even if his form is awful there's just no one putting pressure on him.


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If Welbeck is injured and Hodgson still wants to take 5 strikers who would you pick Rashford, Walcott, Carroll or Defoe?

Assume Kane, Vardy, Rooney & Sturridge are the 4 who are nailed on to go.

I think I'd take Defoe England aren't planning on using wingers he's got experience and is in form I think it's to early for Rashford and Walcott's form is toilet at the moment.

I know people use the Andy Carroll plan B argument but we have no wingers and Kane is pretty good in the air if we want to go long. I'd rather have a guy you can rely on I don't think you get that with Carroll


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Roy Hodgson has delayed naming his England squad for Euro 2016 until Monday. The manager was due to reveal the 23-man party on Thursday but had decided to wait until after the final Premier League matches of the season.

Those games take place on Sunday and the delay diminishes the chance of a player being named in the squad and having to withdraw because of injury.

Arsenal’s Danny Welbeck, who would have gone to the finals in France, has been ruled out of the tournament after sustaining a knee injury at Manchester City on Sunday. The forward faces several months out and may require surgery.


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On a brisk summer afternoon in Clissold Park in Hackney, east London, a group of boys aged seven and eight arrive for their first football trial. Although most of the parents try to underplay it all, with ready smiles and encouraging words come what may, it is a big moment for the boys. At stake is a place in the new intake for the academy at their grassroots club, London Soccer Stars.

There are 35 boys invited for trial. Most have been at the club since the age of three or four, when they started out playing imaginative pirate games or racing car drills to make early ball coordination skills fun. By now the coaches know the players and their capabilities and in trying to form a well-rounded squad they face the same niggle that crops up every year. Midfield players? No problem. Attackers? Fine. Defenders? Hmmm. Not so straightforward. AK Miah, the head of the academy, estimates that out of the 35 contenders there are only two players who show natural defensive qualities.

The rest of the boys asked to play in defence would prefer to play further forward. It is an annual challenge. “We hardly ever get a player who comes over to you and says: ‘I am a defender,’” Miah explains. “It is difficult to teach a young defender how rewarding it is to get a clean sheet. The older they get the more they take pride in defending but for the majority of youngsters there is no big attraction in defending.”

There is a connection between this park scene and the apex of the English football pyramid, a modern idea of defending that has led to the shortage which sees Roy Hodgson select only three centre-backs in his European Championship squad. For all the England manager’s confidence in Eric Dier’s capacity to fill in and play at the heart of defence if necessary, it is obvious that going into a major tournament with three main central defensive options brings a high level of risk.

Although age and experience are not everything, there is a marked difference between the 2016 group of Gary Cahill, Chris Smalling, John Stones and Dier compared with 10 years ago when Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Sol Campbell and Jamie Carragher went to the 2006 World Cup. The class of 2006 had an average age of 27.8 and the cap average between them was 41. The class of 2016 has an average age of 25 and cap average of 21.

The nature of defending has changed radically in recent years. Although the intentions are laudable, and it is difficult to be too critical of an attempt to create more polished ball players at the back, there has been a trade-off. Traditional defensive virtues are harder to come by than ever. Terry Burton, who has coached in the professional game for almost four decades and is using his expertise as a scout for Hodgson, does not think the balance is right.

“We have lost something,” he says. “There is a realisation today that we haven’t got rounded defenders who can defend first as a priority – which is still their main job. We have had a phase in youth development where we have been one‑eyed, only looking at the beautiful style the Spanish have been flagbearers of. While watching games I have heard a lot of coaches making similar observations of defenders. ‘He can’t head the ball. He’s marking on the wrong side. He doesn’t see the danger.’ A coach wants to see if you can anticipate, intercept, clear the box, read the game.

“Defending is a beautiful skill. I still see a good defender as being as pure as a good No10. But it has to be taught. It has to be practised.”

A couple of years ago at St George’s Park the Football Association unveiled a philosophy called “England DNA”, a culture that is supposed to underline all the work in developing international‑standard players across the age groups. According to its mission statement: “England teams aim to intelligently dominate possession selecting the right moments to progress the play and penetrate the opponent.”

From a defensive point of view, England DNA seems to aspire for style over solidity.

‘I still see a good defender as being as pure as a good No10. But it has to be taught. It has to be practised’, says former Arsenal academy coach Terry Burton.

Recently the former Leicester City and Ipswich Town striker James Scowcroft, who coaches youth football, was at St George’s Park working on his Uefa A licence. He is concerned that the English game has veered too far away from some fundamentals. “In a lot of academies the art of defending is not encouraged as much as it once was,” he says. “There is a more technical emphasis. Defenders are expected to come out with the ball, to ask themselves: ‘What can I do with the ball?’

“The mentality has changed. Technical possession is the focus. There is a mindset of trying to produce a new culture of football and the art of defending is getting bypassed. You can’t afford to do that because there are two sides of football – when you have the ball and when you don’t have the ball. Both are equally important. A massive part of the game is being overlooked.

“Academy football is very possession‑based so defenders don’t get tested until adult football. By then it is alien to them, and at that point they don’t have time to learn.

“The likes of Tony Adams and Steve Bruce were not technically the greatest players in their teams but they were fantastic defenders. Do you think Tony Adams would be playing for Arsenal today? At 18 years old he was captain of Arsenal in the 1980s. Where would he be at 18 years old today in Arsenal’s system? Maybe on loan, maybe getting some experience in the lower leagues or playing in the under-21s, which is not so competitive. Would Arsène Wenger progress an 18-year-old Tony Adams today?”

That sharp question filters back down to grassroots. Sean Daly runs Focus Football, a club aimed at arming youngsters with the qualities to be placed at professional academies. Daly was previously the recruitment officer at Tottenham Hotspur overseeing the six-to-12 age group and a scout in Chelsea’s youth department. He observes how the fashion for a more technical style across player development in England sees more physical or combative players sidelined.

Daly says: “A lot of young children get released who possess those other qualities – willingness to tackle and bravery – in the quest for a No10.

“It is very difficult to make players brave. I have seen some players released because they are not technically tidy enough at young age groups and people are more reluctant to work harder with them to improve their technique compared to those more gifted players.”

A youngster with traditional defensive traits will often find themselves overlooked in favour of a more technical player asked to play at the back. That brings its own challenges.

“You have got to get a child to buy in to playing defence. Not many want to stand at the back and put their face in front of the ball to stop a goal, or can maintain concentration for long periods without the ball. Centre-back is not a sexy position any more. It’s complicated if you are looking at planning a pathway as not many children actually want to play there.”

The pathway some years down the road is also complicated. Scowcroft laments the difficulties for the age group coming out of academy football and trying to break into the first team at the elite level. He recently went to the Toulon under-21 tournament, which England won, but appreciates how hard it is for even the most talented defenders to earn the trust of Premier League managers. “At the top of the Premier League the top clubs have international strikers, some are world class, so it is very hard. It is a high‑risk league with big rewards. So to play a 19-year-old defender against a world‑class centre-forward is a gamble managers can’t easily take.”

The changing profile of what we look for in our centre-backs needs another assessment. “England do not possess dominating defenders in the style of a Terry Butcher or Tony Adams but you should never stop being yourself,” Scowcroft says. “England need to use those raw qualities as well. Leadership, playing with your heart on your sleeve, that is important in tandem with trying to play the ball out from the back.”

It will take a concerted effort to change the mindset at youth development level. But it is an effort from which English football would benefit, if not in time for France 2016 then for the future. Somewhere between a John Stones and a Chopper Harris cruncher of bones, the aim has to be for some defensive middle ground.


Used to be simple those who liked kicking people & heading went in defence and those who enjoyed dribbling or shooting went up front.

Must be hard for academies to produce CBs when the focus at young age groups is all about technique


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England out

Hodgson and his staff resign reading out a pre prepared statement 15 minutes after the final whistle didn't sound like one that was just cobbled together either. He had to fall on his sword but feels to me like there were 2 statements and 1 of them was never going to be read (the one where we win the tournament) nice guy Roy but not sure the players really played for him it all seemed a bit to nice and easy.

Poor performance by the players but manager needs to be questioned as well his subs tonight were poor.

Will be interesting to see if any of the senior players call it quits after that will that be it for players like Rooney & Milner and if Butland has a strong start to next season will he be able to dethrone Hart.

Looked like a team without a game plan after they went behind after 60 minutes players looked dead on their feet who knows the reason why but the way England play just doesn't suit them they are not a team that should have 70% possession because they don't know how to use it but they allow the game to be played that way falling into the same trap over and over.

Didn't quite beat the England team back from France missed them by about 22 hours.


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Performance was a joke. Rashford coming on in the 86th minute was ridiculous. In 6 minutes he done more than the other 12 outfield players combined.

Direct running and trying to make thing happen. Can't wait to see more of this kid.

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The stupid thing for me was at no point did they swap the wingers who started the game to put them on their stronger foot on the outside it was verging on pathetic how often they got in crossing positions and didn't deliver the ball because they were on their weaker foot.

I think last night we missed Lallana I'm not his biggest fan but he does unpick locks and that game was screaming out for a player like him they threw Rashford on late against a tired defence but the kid needed more time even putting Milner on to the right might have made a difference as Sturridge was a complete passenger out there he needs to play central otherwise there's no point in playing him.

Everyone will say it's a learning experience for these players and for most of them it probably is as not many of these lads have any tournament experience but last night that team look shattered and had no idea what it was doing unfortunately to many players came in out of form.


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Call me crazy but I think the next England manager should be Big Sam. I think at least he will set up a team properly and instil a bit of passion into the players.
But I think the problem goes way deeper than the manager. The players aren't as good and they and we think they are and there isn't enough commitment and determination. We just looked like we had no idea what to do out there.
Can't quite believe players like Kane and Alli can look so good for their club but so poor for their country. But this is nothing new, its always been the case in my lifetime with England. There is something very wrong there.


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I mean it is just typical, a bunch of foreigners work harder for less money and an Englishman loses his job. I haven't been this embarrassed since Friday.


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I actually think of the candidates Allardyce is the best one if we're sticking to English managers is it worth ruining a young manager like Howe this early on? If we want to go foreign maybe Laurent Blanc who has just left PSG but previously coached France so has some international pedigree but he left under a bit of a cloud from memory made some strange comments about minorities but he has played in England. My guess is he would rather wait for a PL job as they pay better money.

Allardyce in theory will do it his way and not try and please everyone which is what you want from a manager a clear team plan with an identity of how we play if it works great if it doesn't then he walks away and someone else comes in to take over. Personally I think towards the end Roy was just trying to please everyone and kept changing the plan rather than sticking with the game plan.

I think it's hard to tell how good these players actually are as none of them are really tested at the European/International level. Walker/Smalling/Rose/Dier/Alli/Lallana/Vardy/Kane/Wilshere etc all playing at their first international tournament IIRC it was a very inexperienced squad and of those players none have played CL football consistently apart from arguably Smalling. Cahill/Rooney/Hart were the only players who had previous tournament experience as a starter.

The biggest problem is our reputation as a big nation means we'll never be able to play the way Iceland do as we won't be an underdog in every game.

Yesterday we were crying out for creative players to come on he made a good move with Wilshere for Dier (although Wilshere didn't play well when he came on), Sterling off for Vardy was a strange one as of the front 3 Sterling was the only one looking likely to create he was imo the best of a bad bunch up top at that point, Rashford for Rooney that late was pointless he needed another 10-15 minutes to make an impact. I'd of looked to Milner or Barkley to go on before Vardy as those guys can make a chance for someone else then I'd have chucked Vardy/Rashford on as my final move.

1 shot on target (weak header no trouble for keeper) against Iceland in 45 minutes in the 2nd half when you're 2-1 down isn't good enough.

All I can say is 2nd half the team looked knackered I've been in nice for the last 10 days and I can tell you it is very hot there right now and 2nd half the pitch looked slow I wonder if they watered it at half time but passes were holding up which helped Iceland make interceptions and our full backs looked absolutely f*cked which meant we totally lost the width in our play. Rooney/Sturridge didn't look like they had any energy after 60 minutes, Kane looked nothing like the player we've seen for Spurs, Dier probably had his worst game in and England shirt and was rightfully subbed.


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On the our players looking tired on 60 minutes point we were based in Chantilly near Paris in the North where the temperature is a lot cooler than Nice which has been up around 30 degrees for the last week. England would've only arrived in Nice the day before the game and I wonder if the heat zapped them in the second half as Iceland didn't really press us they just sat and waited staying is shape conserving energy.


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For the love of all things holy, please do not let it be So Smooth Pardew.

Allardyce is probably the only suitable Englishman.

Get Klinsmann I say.

Bilic?


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RE: Sterling

Disagree completely he was woeful. Him and Kane should have failed to come out for the second half. Getting on Barkley and Rashford to lads that will run at teams. We couldn't pass through them so needed someone to run at them.

They were the subs I said should have been made at half time.

However 10 mins in to the second half I would have had Rooney straight off. That second half was shocking. This guys played Champions League finals and he's freezing in a last 16 knockout match?

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For the love of all things holy, please do not let it be So Smooth Pardew.

Allardyce is probably the only suitable Englishman.

Get Klinsmann I say.

Bilic?


Do you really need a top class expensive manager for what is effectively a part time job? Would Bilic give up his job at West Ham for it? In fact would Pardew/Allardyce give up good club jobs to take it? Allardyce probably would because he's old enough to not be worried out it ending his career but look at McLaren it's hard to come back if you f*ck it up Hodgson won't get another top club job easily.

Klinsmann is a strange one been in the international setup for a long time but isn't particularly liked by the USA fans from what I see but he has a hell of a lot of responsibility in their setup not just for the first team but also development levels but he did a good job with Germany in 2006.

I think we just have to accept that currently we have a crop of good but inexerpienced players who hopefully learnt something from Euro 2016 and we also have a league that doesn't help them because it doesn't have a mid season break that allows them to recharge. These players desperately need CL football though most of them will get it at Spurs next season but they need to become seasoned in it because this is where you learn how to face the different styles of football you get a international level.

We also need to stop ripping up the plan before the tournament all through qualification Rooney was a striker and he scored most of the goals that got us there then we get to the tournament and he's a midfielder. One minute it's 4-2-3-1 then it's 4-4-2 diamond then it's 4-3-3

I think credit also needs to go to Iceland they are a very tough team to score against because they defend so well they're highly organised and they break very quickly in numbers when they see a chance. They have lots of big guys so they take advantage of set pieces and long throws it's not pretty but it's effective in modern football it's not hard to setup a team to defend and counter attack well if you have players with the right mentality. It's a lot harder to play the way England do which is to be the team on the ball most of the time.


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RE: Sterling

Disagree completely he was woeful. Him and Kane should have failed to come out for the second half. Getting on Barkley and Rashford to lads that will run at teams. We couldn't pass through them so needed someone to run at them.

They were the subs I said should have been made at half time.

However 10 mins in to the second half I would have had Rooney straight off. That second half was shocking. This guys played Champions League finals and he's freezing in a last 16 knockout match?


I'd have given it another 10 minutes then switched the wide men for 10 minutes if that didn't work I'd have pulled them both out as the wide men weren't working or took Kane off and put Sturridge up the middle as he was f*cked.

Problem was by 60 minutes you could've subbed any of the front 3, Rooney, Wilshere or Rose who looked tired and couldn't get forward.

You could see by the time Rashford come on that the RB was knackered Sterling/Vardy had run him hard so Rashford could just glide past him but he could've done that 10 minutes earlier.

As for Rooney when Wilshere came on Rooney should've gone in the middle as the sitting player let Wilshere play further forward he can turn and run with the ball which Rooney obviously couldn't do.

I think you have to space out your subs the Wilshere one at half time made sense, the Vardy one about half way made sense but by 75 you have to make the final one but I think he was worried that if he went to gung ho and we scored we'd have to play the rest of the game plus extra time with 4 strikers on so he waited in hope.

Interesting stat that the player with the most assists in the second half of last season in the league was apparently James Milner and he barely featured.


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Arsenal are confident manager Arsene Wenger, 66, would turn down any offer from the Football Association, who have the Frenchman near the top of their list to replace Roy Hodgson as England boss. (Sun)

But Wenger is thought to be willing to sit down with the FA to discuss the England job, if they wait a year. (The Times)

Wenger's fellow Frenchman Laurent Blanc, 50, who left Paris St-Germain this week, is also in the frame for the England job. (Mirror)

Former Brazil and Chelsea boss Luiz Felipe Scolari, 67, also wants to be considered for the England job he turned down a decade ago. (Daily Mail)

David Bernstein, one of the men who appointed Roy Hodgson as England manager, insists he has no regrets over the decision and made the case for Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce, 61, to succeed him. (Daily Telegraph)

Allardyce and Hull boss Steve Bruce, 55, are both thought to want the England job immediately. (The Sun)


If you were going to give Wenger a role it wouldn't be as manager he should be involved in the player development plans when you consider the talent that has been nurtured under him.

Personally I'd give it to Allardyce he'd back himself to do things his way and I think he wouldn't try to please everyone he'd just concentrate on getting results we'd become organised in a system that will play to it's strengths and hopefully we'd stop letting in Sunday League goals as Chris Waddle calls them in tournaments.

I think people calling for Hart to quit are having a bit of a laugh but he shouldn't be bullett proof as number 1 anymore 2 poor performances have cost us in a big tournament and players like Butland & Forster who perform consistently for clubs should be given more of a chance his main concern should be how long will Guardiola stick with him at City.


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3 poor performances I'd say. At fault for the Russia goal, the Bale goal and the second Iceland goal

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