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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:59 pm 
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What if someone called Scholes a 'ginger c*nt', what's that called?

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I think that's called fair comment.

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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What if someone called Scholes a 'ginger c*nt', what's that called?

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RACE n

A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.


Theoretically, it's racist

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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Whilst it may be deemed as racist you rarely see it classed as racism. I doubt there would be any uproar if Ferdinand referred to Terry as a 'white pr!ck'

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What if someone called Scholes a 'ginger c*nt', what's that called?

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A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.


Theoretically, it's racist

:lol:

I'm keeping that one. Can't wait to play the race card on someone!!

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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Whilst it may be deemed as racist you rarely see it classed as racism. I doubt there would be any uproar if Ferdinand referred to Terry as a 'white pr!ck'

that's cos he is, but Ferdinand isn't racist

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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TBF once you include the race it is racist. You could just easily call Terry a pr!ck or Rio a cnut without including their skin colour. Once you include race you've included it for the added distress and hurt it will cause the person you're cussing. Person might not be a bonafide "go to KKK meetings" racist, but the remark is racist.

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John Terry was forced to take the unusual step of apologising to hundreds of fans - after they believed he was due to open a pet shop.

The Chelsea and England captain had been expected to cut the ribbon at the opening of Reptile Kingdom on Ewell Road after he had completed training at the club's training ground, which is in nearby Cobham.

Owner Terrence Clark said he had organised the England captain's appearance through a mutual friend, but Terry insists that was not the case and therefore did not appear.

Terry, who has categorically denied making a racist slur against Anton Ferdinand during Chelsea's defeat at QPR, released a statement which read: "There appears to be some confusion regarding my attendance at an opening of a pet shop today in Surbiton.

"For the avoidance of doubt, I had not agreed to attend the opening of this or any other shop today.

"I had been asked if I would consider the opportunity and declined on two separate occasions. That is as far as the matter went.

"No agreement was made for me to attend or any plans put in place by me or the football club.

"Any advertising or announcements to say I would be attending were made without my knowledge or consent.

"I very much regret any distress or disappointment that may have been suffered by the public."

Clark admitted he was disappointed the defender did not turn up, but still claimed the day was a success.

"He was supposed to be there but he didn't show. We had arranged for him to come through a mutual friend. Hundreds turned up." Clark said.

"It looks bad on him and not us. I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed, but we still had a good time."

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Allegations that Chelsea captain John Terry racially abused QPR defender Anton Ferdinand on Sunday are being "assessed" by police.

The news comes after Scotland Yard confirmed that they had received a complaint from a member of the public.

Terry has categorically denied making an alleged racist slur towards Ferdinand during the Blues' 1-0 Premier League defeat at Loftus Road.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "We can confirm that police have been notified of an incident on Sunday 23 October involving alleged racial abuse.

"This is currently being assessed by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham.

"Videos circulated on the internet in the aftermath of the game, with some claiming the footage shows Terry insulting the QPR player using racist language.

It is understood that QPR will meet Ferdinand on Tuesday to discuss the matter.

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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I have no idea whether John Terry is guilty of racist language and i'm not about to comment on an ongoing police investigation.

But these quotes from Terry caught my eye:

"I would never say such a thing and I'm saddened that people would think so."

'Saddened'? Really?

Does he live in a parallel universe where he is held in the highest regard?

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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someone wrote that statement for him

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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Resurrection Joe wrote:
I have no idea whether John Terry is guilty of racist language and i'm not about to comment on an ongoing police investigation.

But these quotes from Terry caught my eye:

"I would never say such a thing and I'm saddened that people would think so."

'Saddened'? Really?

Does he live in a parallel universe where he is held in the highest regard?

Ha I was just about to post some of his statement, my thoughts were the same, awwwww poor John, what has he ever done to make people think hes anything less than a model human being?

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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Does he live in a parallel universe where he is held in the highest regard?


I guess he thinks he does, he has to be one of the least respected human beings in football over here in this reality. :doh:

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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Does he live in a parallel universe where he is held in the highest regard?

I think this quote has to be pulled out again after he said yesterday he's going to 'fight to clear his name.'

What name is that then John? The name of a scumbag?

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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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Assuming he is cleared of this allegation.

Who's worse John Terry or Ryan Giggs?

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Assuming he is cleared of this allegation.

Who's worse John Terry or Ryan Giggs?

#justsayin


are you serious?

Someone who likes to get his leg over vs someone who can clearly be seen being a racist, who parks in disabled spaces because he can afford to, fights outside nightclubs etc. etc.


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Giggs also lied about being black mailed.

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are you serious?

Someone who likes to get his leg over vs someone who can clearly be seen being a racist, who parks in disabled spaces because he can afford to, fights outside nightclubs etc. etc.


I clearly said put the racism allegation to one side and assume he's innocent until proven guilty.

In the Blue Corner John Terry - Reported to have been sh*gging a team mates ex fiance behind his wifes back, also reported to have cheated on her with some other girl, reported to have a gamblind problem, parked in a disabled space (once as far as is reported), got into a few scrapes outside nightclubs (who hasn't?), there was that whole hotel thing on 9/11 (don't really remember the whole story on that one) & got caught selling tours round chelsea training ground.

In the Red Corner Ryan Giggs - Reported to have had a 6 month affair with a glamour model behind his wifes back, reported to have had an on going sexual relation with his brothers wife, I don't have the links to prove it but I bet in his younger days he got into the odd bit of trouble outside of a nightclub.

Like I said put your club allegiences to one side who on the current charges is the worse/better man?


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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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Like I said, for me there is a big difference,

One likes to get his leg over, the other is a chavy tw@t with a litany of Misdemeanors. And when the story broke about Terry and Bridge there wasn't exactly a huge list of people in the game coming out saying he's an alright bloke, in fact quite the contrary.

And you can't leave out the fact he made a racist comment becasue I've seen it myself and the CPS think they have a case.

If you took way the bad tackles and the fact he's a grade A tool and made him better at football Joey Barton really isn't any different from Bobby Charlton


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 Post subject: Re: John Terry: Skipper, Leader, Role Model & Loyal Friend
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LiekI said, for me there is a big difference,

One likes to get his leg over, the other is a chavy tw@t with a litany of Misdemeanors. And when the story broke about Terry and Bridge there wasn't exactly a huge list of people in the game coming out saying he's an alright bloke, in fact quite the cntrary.

And you can't leave out the fact he made a racist comment becasue I've seen it myself and the CPS think they have a case.

If you took way the bad tackles and the fact he's a grade A tool and made him better at football Joey Barton really isn't any different from Bobby Charlton


The fact that the CPS have taken it on says there is a case to be answered not that he is 100% guilty. If he is a chav racist scum how come he's managed to hide this for 10 years as a pro. What you have seen is a youtube clip of Terry mouthing something which you have already been told is him saying "you f*cking black c*nt". Are you a qualified lip reader or have you made a judgement on what you believe to have seen? I personally think he is guilty of the exact same thing that Suarez is guilty of making a racist comment. That does not make him a racist it just makes him an idiot.

Giggs extra marital affairs were well known in Manchester I'd heard the rumours he wasn't exactly private about the whole thing but the girls knew the score and kept their mouths shut. Also, when the story broke about Giggs people couldn't really talk about it because of the injunction until a few weeks ago you couldn't even say it was Giggs who was involved in the alleged affairs.

What I'm asking is to compare the two peoples off field antics based on what is rumoured to be true and what isn't. Lets not forget all these affairs are only rumours neither Giggs or Terry have admitted in public to doing either their silence on the matter basically implies guilt.

I'm asking to remove 1 item from the debate the racism charge because it's only an allegation.

The reason I asked the question in the first place was to sort of prove a point that your club allegiences can sway your reaction to certain issues making them not so black and white.

What's worse sleeping with your mates ex fiance or sleeping with your brothers wife? You could argue both are the same but for me the later is far worse but as soon as you put footballer a and footballer b into the equation some people put club allegiences before their own views.


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