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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:54 pm 
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So, a question Blues fans: was Jose Mourinho really that bad second time around? Or, with this lot, was that title triumph the stuff of genius?

And a second one for you: today, from a Belgian double, who'd you take? Eden Hazard or Kevin de Bruyne?

It was a massacre on Saturday. Arsenal were good. Very, very good. But Chelsea were woeful. Not the manager. Not the away support. It was those on the pitch.

As Antonio Conte is quickly learning, Mourinho wasn't the problem last season. They talk a good game at Chelsea. Indeed, a great game. As the manager says, they look good "on paper". But the culture inside the locker room is deteriorating. It has been for over 12 months. Ever since they broke up after raising the Premier League crown at Stamford Bridge. Fitness schedules were blanked. Diets ignored. Many senior players returned for last year's preseason overweight and under-motivated. Mourinho recognised the problems immediately, he needed fresh blood to shake things up. But his warnings fell on deaf ears - and he was out of a job before Christmas.

Conte needs to recognise its 'me or them'.

Guus Hiddink succeeded Mourinho and - for the first few weeks - had appeared to right the ship. The noises about a calmer approach. Less distractions. Y'know, the sort of thing we've heard from the players this season. They were all being made. Even the prospect of a top four challenge was raised. The players just needed a different style of manager, we were told. A players' coach. Someone who truly understood them.

But by the end of the season, there were no Cups won. A mid-table finish was just about managed. And Hiddink, after being so bullish in those first few days, actually claimed he'd fulfilled his brief by avoiding relegation.

Now the baton is in Conte's hand. It's his problem to have. And he's already being let down by those inside the locker room. It really is 'me or them'.

How can you suggest otherwise when Branislav Ivanovic, after Saturday's mauling, admitted the players had ignored everything that Conte had sent them out to do?

"We didn't believe in what we were doing at the beginning and we were punished.

"As a team we didn't answer anything the manager asked of us, we have to be honest with ourselves and put more attention on the small details. We have to be more focused and concentrated on the game."

So where to start? It has to be at the top. A decision must be made about Eden Hazard. This isn't the "flag bearer", as they like to say in Italy, that Chelsea need. He was 18 months ago. But we're now realising what we saw from the Belgian was just a one off. This is it for Eden. He's satisfied with being a good player, capable of greatness when the mood takes him. But he's no leader. And he's no De Bruyne.

The Manchester City flyer has been in Hazard's shadow all his life. Even when, not yet in high school, they were highlighted by local Belgian media as juniors, it was always Hazard first, then De Bruyne. But no longer. City have a world-beater on their hands. Not just in ability, but also attitude. He's not going to settle. He's determined to improve. A player to lift the profile of Manchester City around the world. To fly the flag. De Bruyne is fast becoming everything Hazard could be, but chooses not to.

And this is why Conte can't rely on his No10. A fine player. But not someone to build your team around. And not someone to reconstruct a winning culture inside the dressing room.

Hazard is the main man at Chelsea. The biggest name. Both for the fans outside the club and those working with him inside Cobham. And that's the problem. Chelsea need to look beyond the Belgian. He can no longer be the focus for the club. He just doesn't want it.

And the big question is, long term, will Conte want him? It's difficult to see the two, as things stand today, working together over an extended period. Conte doesn't do project players. He doesn't indulge mavericks. What you see is what you get from the manager. Passion, energy and absolute desire. And this is what he demands from his players. You can see him being successful with De Bruyne. But Hazard? The 2016 version...?

If it comes to the crunch and Conte does realise its 'me or them', he has to hope Piet de Visser, the brilliant Dutch talent spotter, still has the ear of Chelsea's owner, Roman Abramovich.

Speaking about Hazard's problems last year with Mourinho, De Visser laid it all bare:

"Eden is a player who has moments of genius. Mourinho tried to turn him into an enhanced version of Messi or Ronaldo, but this is impossible. Hazard will never be like that.

"Eden is Eden. He is a player with brilliant individual actions, but someone who will never be a machine. He also wants to relax. You should never make him the player who must carry the team.

"Do not make him the captain. Just tell him to have fun on the field."

There wasn't much fun on the Emirates field Saturday. And indulging the attitude of players like Eden Hazard is now the problem. It's staring Conte in the face. He needs to decide: it's me or them.


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Seems to me there's a few guys there who don't really want to be there Courtois, Hazard, Costa stand out to me I don't see the love for the club that they had from previous players maybe that's a knock on effect on the constant turnover.

You get the impression Courtois & Costa would rather be at Atletico, Hazard at Madrid and Pedro & Fabregas back at Barcelona.

It was clear Ivanovic at Arab was a busted flush last season his legs couldn't carry him surely they need Alonso in at LB, Azpi over to RB and Ivanovic either goes into CB or drops to the bench.

I think a bit like Mourinho is his first season at Chelsea 2nd time around it might take him 12 months to work out who can do what he wants before he makes the change


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Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is prepared to bankroll an overhaul of the club's squad if the players fail to convince manager Antonio Conte they can compete for major honours again. (Telegraph)

Chelsea will make a £25m move for Burnley defender Michael Keane, 23, in an effort to solve their defensive problems. (Daily Mirror)

Conte could make a January move for Tottenham full-back Ben Davies, 23, who has failed to hold down a regular place at White Hart Lane.(ESPN)


I really hope we put some sort of buy back clause in for Keane he's really developed nicely it was right for him to go when he did but I think we need to keep an eye on him he keeps playing well wouldn't be surprised if he gets in the England team shortly.


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 Post subject: Re: The General Chelsea Thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:31 pm 
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It is now five consecutive victories for Chelsea since Antonio Conte switched to a 3-4-3 system – 16 goals scored, none conceded – and this was their most impressive attacking display for years, a wonderful demonstration of efficient turnovers, intelligent running and intricate interplay. If there was any doubt about the difficulty of switching from a four-man defence to a back three, you only needed to look at Everton.

Ronald Koeman surprisingly switched to a three-man defence, attempting to “match” Chelsea across the pitch. That makes sense when playing against a 3-5-2 system, as it provides a spare man at the back and equal numbers in midfield, but deploying a three-man defence against a front three is an extremely bold tactic – especially when facing quick, in-form attackers like Eden Hazard, Diego Costa and Pedro.

Everton looked comfortable in the opening stages when Chelsea had long spells of possession, with Seamus Coleman and Bryan Oviedo retreating into defensive positions, allowing the wide centre-backs to act as cover against Hazard and Pedro. But with Everton’s wing-backs pushing forward when they had possession, Everton simply couldn’t let Chelsea counterattack. The opener, scored by Hazard, was a perfect example – Gareth Barry was caught out by Nemanja Matic, and Chelsea immediately broke three-against-three. Everton’s defence hadn’t recovered as the ball was swept out to Hazard, who stereotypically cut inside and fired into the far corner. The second goal, almost made straight from kick-off, again found gaping holes in the Everton backline, and it was no surprise when Koeman introduced Kevin Mirallas for Oviedo and reverted to a four-man defence. By this stage, however, Chelsea were rampant and Everton fared little better.

This system clearly suits Chelsea’s defenders nicely, particularly David Luiz, but has proved particularly crucial in revitalising Hazard and Pedro. The former is allowed freedom to play higher up the pitch than in the 4-1-4-1 Chelsea used in the first few games, and has few defensive responsibilities, while Pedro has played almost his entire career in a three-pronged strike force and therefore offers tremendous movement in behind the defence.

A dramatic switch in formation often prompts a sudden improvement, before opposition managers gradually work out how to exploit weaknesses of the new system. On this evidence, however, matching Chelsea’s back three is clearly not the solution.


I've seen them quite a few times in recent weeks and you have to say they look the most impressive side currently at both ends of the pitch Liverpool are obviously matching/bettering them going forward but they look shakey at the back Chelsea just look in total control of matches at the moment.

Think they've stumbled on this setup more out of luck than by design the injury to John Terry probably helped Conte move to his 3 at the back and a lack of options in midfield meant he didn't really have the need to play 3 centre mids as it's clear he doesn't rate Fabregas, and the absence of Willian for personal reasons meant Pedro gave them the option of a 3 up front.

Not sure how long it'll last these sort of systems tend to get found out after a few weeks people find the chink in the armour and exploit it over and over Gary Cahill looks the obvious weakness teams with a strong right side might find more joy but currently no one can live with Chelsea as all their players ar bang in form playing a position in a formation that suits them perfectly.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:25 pm 
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From the MOTD highlights it looked like Hazard, Costa and Pedro all had the game of their lives.

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They ripped Everton apart but it was the whole team can't remember who did the co-comms on the game he was asked to pick a MOTM and he basically said can I give it to everyone? Then when he was told he had to pick he gave it to Hazard the whole team must have got 8/10 in the papers the next day they were all excellant apart from the keeper who had nothing to do.

That front 3 is purring at the moment though they all seem to be on the same wavelength with little tricks, flicks and dummies coming off even though you think surely he can't have seen that run to play that ball.

They've got City coming up shortly it'll be interesting to see if the City attack can expose any weaknesses in that defence.

David Luiz has never looked more comfortable


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Chelsea will give striker Diego Costa a new long-term contract, according to reports.

In the Daily Mirror, Darren Lewis reports that Chelsea will reward Costa after his wonderful start to the season, but also to ward off interest from Atletico Madrid.

Costa’s former club have been linked with a move for Costa throughout the last 12 months, after his disappointing 2015/16.

Costa’s relationship with Jose Mourinho clearly deteriorated during the Portuguese’s last few months in charge at Chelsea, but he now looks revitalised under Antonio Conte.

He is the Premier League’s top scorer, scoring nine goals and assisting three in 11 games.

With his current deal expiring in 2019, Lewis writes that Conte is already keen on extending that.

Given that he’s 28, that would surely be the last deal that Costa signs at Stamford Bridge. Is he really going to stay past the age of 32?


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Oscar confirms Shanghai SIPG move is '90 per cent done'

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The Chinese Super League is set to welcome another star, with the Brazilian midfielder claiming his move to Asia is all but completed

Chelsea midfielder Oscar says he is on the verge of completing a transfer to Chinese Super League giants Shanghai SIPG.

Reports in England have claimed the Brazil international is set to reunite with former manager Andre Villas-Boas after Chelsea accepted an offer said to be worth up to €60million.

And the 25-year-old is now expected to complete the move when the transfer window opens after claiming that the deal is all but finalised.

"It's 90 per cent certain," he is quoted as telling SporTV. "It just depends on a few bureaucratic details."

Oscar has won the Premier League, the Europa League and the EFL Cup since joining Chelsea from Internacional back in 2012.

The attacking midfielder was a key part of former boss Jose Mourinho's plans, particularly during their title-winning campaign of 2014-15, but he has found his opportunities limited under Antonio Conte.

Oscar started all five of Chelsea's opening Premier League games this season but has been restricted to just four substitute appearances since September, with Conte having revitalised his side's form during that time by using a 3-4-3 system.

He is expected to become the most expensive signing in CSL history, with his transfer fee anticipated to eclipse the reported €55.8m paid by Shanghai to sign compatriot Hulk from Zenit in June.


Well it really surprised me but must be earning awful lot in China ..

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What I don't get is why they're paying £60m to Chelsea for him? He's obviously surplus to requirements and they're probably paying double the market value for him right now.

Obviously they'll need to pay Oscar more money to attract him to a weaker league with less exposure but I don't see how Chelsea are also getting a big pay day something sounds shady if you ask me but Chelsea have shown they're very good at getting top prices for players they no longer want they don't want anymore.


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Likes of Ramirez Fredy Guarin Gervinho have all been under 18million. The only high profile mega money hav been taxiera and hulk. TO be honest bid around 25-30 m would have been sufficient but i think other chinese clubs would have wanted him aswell we know the influx of money nowadays in Chinese league .

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So true mate ...he is consistently inconsistent throughout his united career ..but what if he turns consistent ..he will get around 40 goals...ATM im waiting for that time as his age is 24/25 :wait: ... :|
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Reports are Oscar to earn £400k a week AFTER tax if he goes to China

He'd be the 3rd best paid player in the world after Ronaldo & Messi


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That transfer fee is ludicrous. I would say it's almost double what he's actually worth.

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Wasnt Lavezzi on 400 k already ?

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Real Madrid forward James Rodriguez, 25, is being targeted by Chelsea in a £75m bid to replace Oscar, who is set for a move to the Chinese Super League. (Sunday Mirror)

Midfielder Oscar, 25, has already said goodbye to his Chelsea team-mates before his move to CSL side Shanghai SIPG. (ESPN - in Portuguese)


Chelsea making a profit on Oscar is almost as scandalous as Madrid making a profit on James

He'd be a good upgrade on Pedro if they can get him fit and firing


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Cant see him leaving madrid ATM ..

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Chelsea have had a €25million (£21million) bid turned down for Atalanta midfielder Franck Kessié, according to the player’s agent George Atangana.

The Ivory Coast international has scored six goals in 16 appearances for the Serie A side this season and comparisons have been made with Manchester City midfielder Yaya Toure.

Oscar will leave Stamford Bridge for Shanghai SIPG when the January window opens with a reported £52million deal in place and the Blues are understood to be looking for a replacement.

Speaking to the Guardian, Atangana reportedly revealed that Chelsea had a £21million bid rejected by Atalanta for his client with €40m (£34m) thought to be their valuation.

“We have a lot of interest from the Premier League – Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City and Arsenal,” Atangana said.

“I cannot say at this stage how much he will cost but we are talking about one of the best young players in the world.

“But for us the most important thing is that the technical project is the right one for him. Franck is very young so we have to be very careful about his development.

“Chelsea are very interested and it is a great club but we must take our time to consider all the options.

“Now we are in January so he has to play at the African Nations Cup for Ivory Coast so I am not going to rush anything.”


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Diego Costa has opened up on reports linking him with a blockbusting move to China – and has admitted for the first time that he came close to leaving Chelsea over the summer.

The Spain striker has been transformed into one of the world’s top strikers this season under Antonio Conte, and reports have emerged that Costa, who has 14 goals for the Premier League leaders, is a target for China’s mega-rich Super League clubs.

But Costa, who is in line for a new £200,000 a week deal at Chelsea, insists he is happy and settled at Stamford Bridge, after wanting to return to previous club Atletico Madrid in the summer.

“Yes, yes. I was about to leave.

“I was about to… but, well, I’m happy here as well and that’s that.

“I had the possibility to go to Atletico, because of a few things — the family, the life I have there… but not because of Chelsea, because, here, there’s a lot of love with the supporters, with the people, so I’m very happy. I’m very content.

“There was one thing I wanted to change for family reasons but it wasn’t to be, and I continue happy here.

“It was important too that the manager, from the very first minute, said he counted on me.”


In terms of proper centre forwards right now this guy is the best in the league and probably one of the top 5 in Europe he's basically unplayable


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Fabrizio Romano : Che in talks to sign Llorente, Conte has asked for him, worked at Juve together

clearly Batshuyi(sic) will be moved on

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He is clearly looking at another hoofing option ..

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Reports costa dropped for tomorrow following bust up with Conte & fitness coach

Rumours that he's had a mega offer from China and wants to go


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