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Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed Brazilian teenager Rafael Da Silva is now an integral part of his first-team squad.

The 18-year-old came to the United Kingdom in January along with twin brother Fabio and fellow countryman Rodrigo Possebon.

Although Fabio is currently recovering from a shoulder operation, Rafael and Possebon have made encouraging appearances at senior level this season.

In fact, Rafael has been handed starts against Aalborg and West Brom over the past couple of weeks as Ferguson looked to discover how far the youngster had progressed.

The answers have been positive, leaving the United boss to accept he has another selection dilemma on his hands with club captain Gary Neville and Wes Brown also vying for the position.

"In football, when a guy turns the corner you cannot do anything about it," he said.

"Rafael is a great talent and his performances are telling me I have another problem at right-back."

At Champions League level, Aalborg did not offer much of a threat, leaving Rafael to attack down the right flank at will.

Saturday's clash with West Brom was somewhat different. While the result was eventually quite one-sided, the Baggies gave a decent account of themselves during the first half.

The pace and power of West Brom winger Chris Brunt provided Rafael with a tough examination of his talent, which is just what Ferguson wanted to see; a reminder of the task a similarly-aged Brown faced against Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink when he encountered Leeds a decade ago.

"Wes himself came in at 18, played against Hasselbaink in his first game against Leeds and he was superb," said Ferguson.

"It is a learning process playing against that power and experience. Premier League football is not easy.

"I didn't realise how big Brunt was and what a nice left foot he had, so that presented a challenge for Rafael.

"For periods in the game he was finding his way and it was only when I was going to take him off that he started to play the way we know he can."

In the 10 minutes that followed, Rafael offered yet another indication he will not be kept out of the United first team for long, despite his tender years.

"He was excellent," said Ferguson.

"The positions he took up and the penetration from deep positions was absolutely superb.

"It gives me a selection problem that is good for the club."

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Gives Fergie A Dilemma
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Excellent dilemma to have, reminds me of Evra in how directly he attacks, and like MMFY said, a bit of Heinze in how he goes for tackles 100%, all or nothing, and sometimes gets caught out, but at 18 and being so quick as well, the future looks very good :)

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Gives Fergie A Dilemma
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I'm finding it very hard not to get over-excited about some of the players we've got coming through, Possebon and Rafael mainly. Looking forward to seeing Fabio too, as everyone says he's supposed to be the better of the twins.

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Gives Fergie A Dilemma
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am looking forward to seeing Fabio too. if he's anything like Rafael :yaay:

just a shame he's not naturally left footed

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am looking forward to seeing Fabio too. if he's anything like Rafael :yaay:

just a shame he's not naturally left footed


They could alternate between left and right back each match just by swapping shirts, it's not like anyone can tell the difference between them!

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Dazzling Da Silvas plan twin-pronged assault for United
Ferguson's swashbuckling boys from Brazil can both set the English game alight

Every so often a footballer comes along who can make opponents feel old and spectators feel young. Usually it is a striker with an eye for the spectacular or a winger who can make traffic bollards of the most accomplished defenders, but rarely is it a defender. But then again Rafael da Silva is no ordinary full-back.

They do not make "typical" right-backs in Brazil. They dance to a different drum beat: fast, lithe, athletic flying machines such as Djalma Santos, Carlos Alberto Torres, Josimar and Cafu. Rafael da Silva, the latest kid on the block, is another who has been brought up to believe that the art of defending can be far more expansive than merely shutting down opponents and diving into tackles. At 18 Rafael is the latest in a long production line and the really exciting news for Manchester United is that his twin, Fabio, is considered every bit as good on the opposite side of defence.

"They remind me of two little whippets," said Les Kershaw, United's former academy manager who can be credited with spotting the Da Silvas playing for Fluminense at the 2005 Nike Premier Cup in Tokyo. "There are no wingers as such in Brazil and they all play a 4-2-2-2 formation. That means the full-backs have to tear up and down the wings. These two stood out straight away. What impressed me most was the way that, when they got knocked down, they just got straight back up again and got on with it. They were like bouncing balls . . . very, very quick. You didn't have to be a special scout to notice them. I rang the manager and said, 'There are twins here who are just unbelievable.'"

A deal was quickly arranged with Fluminense, although the twins were not allowed to play in England until they had turned 18 and gained Portuguese passports, qualifying through their grandfather. The clearance came through this summer and Sir Alex Ferguson immediately gave them squad numbers. Fabio has since been troubled by a shoulder injury and is recovering from surgery but Rafael is threatening to supplant Gary Neville and Wes Brown on a permanent basis. "When a guy turns the corner you cannot do anything about it," said Ferguson.

"Potential" is a word Ferguson once claimed to dislike, referring to his formative days at Old Trafford and, specifically, his frustrations with Peter Barnes, a player he remembers attracting "all this talk about his potential, yet the guy was almost 30 years old". In Rafael's case, however, Ferguson has not tried to play down the hype. "I feel the boy has something special," said the manager. "He has such character, and such talent, and great courage. He's got that Brazilian mentality where he wants to get on the ball all the time."

This was brought home to Ferguson in United's 1-1 draw at Celtic 10 days ago, when Rafael fouled Shaun Maloney in his first challenge and got a ticking-off from the referee. "The crowd reacted as though he had chopped the boy in two," Ferguson said with a laugh. "For 10 minutes the little lad was unsettled. But after that he was absolutely brilliant. I was delighted an 18-year-old could do that."

Raised in Petropolis, in the forested hills of the Serra dos Orgaos, Rafael started as a striker for his amateur club, Boa Esperanca. Fabio, meanwhile, was a defensive midfielder. But when they joined Fluminense the youth team coach converted them into full-backs.

The twins subsequently played for Brazil in the Under-17 World Cup last year in South Korea. "Trevor Brooking [the Football Association's director of football development] saw them and thought they were unbelievable," Kershaw proudly reported. Fabio, in particular, stood out, scoring twice as Brazil racked up 14 goals in their first three games. "I have absolutely no doubt at all that he will do the same for us as Rafael," added Ferguson.

Fabio has Patrice Evra to dislodge, which might take some doing. Yet Rafael has shown what can be done, starting four of the last eight matches, and is expected to keep his place against Stoke City today. He has also scored his first professional goal, a beautifully taken left-foot volley after coming on as a substitute at Arsenal last Saturday. "He grabbed the game," Ferguson reflected admiringly. "He turned us up a notch." As Ferguson says, the boy is special.

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael & Fabio
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I remember banging on about them when we first noticed em, watching the videos but reminding myself not to get to excited by a few 3 minute length videos. I love Rafael, but cant wait to see Fabio, the one who is suppose to be the better of the two players, top goalscorer at the under 17's world cup, captains the side too, scored a cracker in the reserves for us, and could we see him n evra playing lb/lm constantly rotating letting eachother run through.

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could we see him n evra playing lb/lm constantly rotating letting eachother run through.


Could be interesting to watch, our full backs would be deadly! The future is certainly bright

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When's this Fabio meant to be able to feature then? Injured at the moment is he?

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When's this Fabio meant to be able to feature then? Injured at the moment is he?


Recovering from shoulder surgery, haven't actually seen a return date mentioned anywhere so I have no idea when we'll be seeing him. Scored a couple of cracking goals for the reserves before he got injured, someone posted a video of them a while ago I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael & Fabio
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he had surgery at the end of september and was said to be out for a couple of months so i'd say expect to see him back for the new year.

this was a goal he scored in the reserves

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Ta :fonz:

Good goal :busted:

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When's this Fabio meant to be able to feature then? Injured at the moment is he?


Recovering from shoulder surgery, haven't actually seen a return date mentioned anywhere so I have no idea when we'll be seeing him. Scored a couple of cracking goals for the reserves before he got injured, someone posted a video of them a while ago I think.


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Well with Fabio returning to action with the Reserves yesterday, not long till we see Rafael & Fabio both bombing up the wings. I cannot wait! :fonz:

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FA Cup third round could be one to pencil in for him perhaps - What with Evra being out suspended.

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Is Fabio supposed to be the better one? Cus if he is, well, that could be a mouthwatering prospect for sure.

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Well with Fabio returning to action with the Reserves yesterday, not long till we see Rafael & Fabio both bombing up the wings. I cannot wait! :fonz:


:lol: can't wait to see the Ferdinand/Vidic 2 man defence

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went the reserve match last night - looked good when he came on considering he's been out for a while. didn't stop running, didn't clock onto how quick the lad is.


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Is Fabio supposed to be the better one? Cus if he is, well, that could be a mouthwatering prospect for sure.

'Tis apparently the truth. Captain of the U-17's SAC winning team summer before last, top scorer too.
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Well with Fabio returning to action with the Reserves yesterday, not long till we see Rafael & Fabio both bombing up the wings. I cannot wait! :fonz:


:lol: can't wait to see the Ferdinand/Vidic 2 man defence

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Spikey Macmarbles wrote:
Is Fabio supposed to be the better one? Cus if he is, well, that could be a mouthwatering prospect for sure.


It is said that he is the better player yes, i believe he's a 'set peice specialist' he's more of a goal scoring threat as well. I see him getting a few games at left mid tbh

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